Wireless guitar transceivers ?

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  • ESBlondeESBlonde Frets: 2372
    For me I find that going too far out into the crowd the delay/speed of sound to my hand co-ordination starts to interfer with my timing, I'm doing funk chops and it feels odd not hearing instant response. I'd spent many years handling cable issues so that was never a problem.
    Interestingly last friday I was about 4 numbers in and a lady came up and stuck hear head down in front of me! She said she was interested in my pedals (I kidd ye not), turned out she was a bassist!
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  • hotpickupshotpickups Frets: 954
    JayGee said:
    David5150 said:

    Singer has recently gotten a wireless mic and he's always taking a stroll out into the 'crowd' for a bit of a singalong. I've gotten into the habit of wandering out and trying to grab a seat with the most attractive girls when we do a few chilled out numbers. Why girls you ask......because their drinks mostly have straws so they can feed me booze while I'm playing (assuming I haven't knocked their drinks flying with the guitar)

    Playing live - love it!

    This too. A bit of punter interaction (going out and dancing, standing on a chair/table for a big “set piece” solo, photobombing peoples selfies, etc, etc) goes a long way for a pub/club act - I’m rubbish at talking to strangers but put a guitar in my hand and a band behind me so that I’ve got a role to play and some kind of script to follow and I can get out there and “sell” the act just fine. I hope we’re not relying on stunts, high-jinks, ands silliness (we certainly put a lot of time and effort into the basics) but I’m sure this distinguishes us from some local acts who may be as good (occasionally better) as musicians than we are but just stand there looking miserable, and goes a long way towards getting us repeat bookings, rate hikes, and regular followers.

    If we don’t at least look like we’re having fun how can we expect the audience to?


    I did this last at weeks gig. But to my horror my signal cutbout when I walked past one of the speakers. Im sure it was just a digital blank spot for some reason but I did half feel a plonked standing there wit no sound. Only for a second or two bit it felt like 5 mins ;)
    Link to my trading feedback:  http://www.thefretboard.co.uk/discussion/59452/
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  • NunogilbertoNunogilberto Frets: 1314
    I’m a fan of the Xvive U2 system I occasionally borrow from a mate - nice and compact and works very well. I had a cheap Rowin System last year and it was quite bulky and unreliable in my opinion - I should have spent the £50 or so more and gone for the XVive.
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  • trolleytrolley Frets: 35

    A big advantage for me was that during a soundcheck I could stand out the front & listen to the sound/levels. The other guitarist's mate was always telling me I was too loud, which clearly wasn't the case once I got mobile!

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  • ESBlondeESBlonde Frets: 2372
    JayGee said:
    David5150 said:

    Singer has recently gotten a wireless mic and he's always taking a stroll out into the 'crowd' for a bit of a singalong. I've gotten into the habit of wandering out and trying to grab a seat with the most attractive girls when we do a few chilled out numbers. Why girls you ask......because their drinks mostly have straws so they can feed me booze while I'm playing (assuming I haven't knocked their drinks flying with the guitar)

    Playing live - love it!

    This too. A bit of punter interaction (going out and dancing, standing on a chair/table for a big “set piece” solo, photobombing peoples selfies, etc, etc) goes a long way for a pub/club act - I’m rubbish at talking to strangers but put a guitar in my hand and a band behind me so that I’ve got a role to play and some kind of script to follow and I can get out there and “sell” the act just fine. I hope we’re not relying on stunts, high-jinks, ands silliness (we certainly put a lot of time and effort into the basics) but I’m sure this distinguishes us from some local acts who may be as good (occasionally better) as musicians than we are but just stand there looking miserable, and goes a long way towards getting us repeat bookings, rate hikes, and regular followers.

    If we don’t at least look like we’re having fun how can we expect the audience to?


    I did this last at weeks gig. But to my horror my signal cutbout when I walked past one of the speakers. Im sure it was just a digital blank spot for some reason but I did half feel a plonked standing there wit no sound. Only for a second or two bit it felt like 5 mins ;)
    A couple of months ago we played a dreaded caravan holiday park, I went out to gauge the sound/interact with the audience and the guitar sound suddenly went intermittant. As I spun round to get back into 'line of sight' and range I nearly took out a bloke carrying more drinks than two hands should be able to. I wasn't very visible to him it seems!
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  • VoxmanVoxman Frets: 2052
    Line 6 G10. Brilliant bit of kit. No batteries, silently plugs into guitars, auto standby. 
    I started out with nothing..... but I've still got most of it left (Seasick Steve)
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  • Emp_FabEmp_Fab Frets: 13390
    edited May 31
    Well, I've taken one for the team !  The thirteen quid wireless gear arrived, was attacked by the dog but luckily he's only got little teeth, so the box took a hit but not the contents.

    I've recorded four clips for you to hear the difference between the cable and the £13 wireless system... two clean, two dirty.

    See if you can tell which ones are the cable and which are wireless :-)

    Just to make it impartial, I've names the clips 1, 2, 3 & 4 and shuffled them around before uploading.... mrgreen 

    http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=798864&content=music

    Birds are meant to fly free...  Open every cage you see.

    https://www.peta.org/about-peta/why-peta/caged-birds/
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  • Emp_FabEmp_Fab Frets: 13390
    Comment, you gits!  I recorded especially!
    Birds are meant to fly free...  Open every cage you see.

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  • ESBlondeESBlonde Frets: 2372
    1 & 4 have the brightness often associated with radio. That's assuming the ' cable length/capacitance' settings on the radio link haven't been futzed with. Otherwise a quality cable and poor radio might make it the other way round,  £13 is even cheap for a good cable.
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  • Emp_FabEmp_Fab Frets: 13390
    1 & 4 are cable, 2 & 3 are radio.

    In short, I’d have been better off with a pizza.

    Conclusion - £13’s worth of radio gear sounds like a pizza.
    Birds are meant to fly free...  Open every cage you see.

    https://www.peta.org/about-peta/why-peta/caged-birds/
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  • JayGeeJayGee Frets: 458
    Emp_Fab said:
    1 & 4 are cable, 2 & 3 are radio.

    In short, I’d have been better off with a pizza.

    Conclusion - £13’s worth of radio gear sounds like a pizza.
    Sounds OK as pizzas go... :-)

    Seriously, for pub/club gigs the question isn’t “does it sound exactly the same” , it’s “can I work with this”.
    Don't ask me, I just play the damned thing...
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  • ESBlondeESBlonde Frets: 2372
    If thats the radio signal quality and it  can't be modified with a 'cable setting' like most can, I'd say thats not usable. Still for £13 you had to find out. Sometimes too good to be true is just too good to be true.
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  • Emp_FabEmp_Fab Frets: 13390
    It loses a fair bit at the top end that I can quite easily compensate for with a bit of EQ on the amp.  What I can't tweak out is the VHF hiss.  It operates around 270MHz I think.  Indeed, I had to find out !  I'll keep them as....  Hmm.....  don't know really !  What could I use a short range VHF wireless system for ?
    Birds are meant to fly free...  Open every cage you see.

    https://www.peta.org/about-peta/why-peta/caged-birds/
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  • BeexterBeexter Frets: 302
    I've used a line 6 g30 for years with no issues at all, not even the battery door.
    Treading on a guitar lead is now thankfully in the past.
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  • Emp_FabEmp_Fab Frets: 13390
    edited June 15
    Well, I'm made up !  Digitalscream gave me a fantastic Rowin WS20 system.  It's bloody amazing !!  Not only that, but I managed to bag two Shure UHF personal monitor wireless systems for £100 off eBay!  So, now I'm completely wireless with the exception of my mic, but I don't need that, and in any case, should I decide to want to sing and play whilst gyrating on a pub table, our drummer has some wireless mic systems somewhere !

    I can't wait to try it all out properly at the next practice.
    Birds are meant to fly free...  Open every cage you see.

    https://www.peta.org/about-peta/why-peta/caged-birds/
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  • WazmeisterWazmeister Frets: 3912
    There is a brand new Boss wireless now
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  • fandangofandango Frets: 1105
    Interesting suggestions.

    The Shure system has the bast latency (4ms/7.3ms), followed by the Smooth Hound (8ms), and followed by the Ronin WS20 (12ms). The price follows the same order, with the new price of the Shure way more expensive than the other two.

    I think @Emp_Fab got a cracking deal on the Shure systems if it works out for him.


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  • Emp_FabEmp_Fab Frets: 13390
    I did... and they both work.  Two PSM200 systems with belt packs for a B.I.N. price of £100!
    I couldn't believe my luck when I saw it!
    Birds are meant to fly free...  Open every cage you see.

    https://www.peta.org/about-peta/why-peta/caged-birds/
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  • merlinmerlin Frets: 1409
    edited July 4
    I've been wireless with my clarinet for about 10 years. I used a Line6 G30 until it packed up after a few years of abuse and replaced it with a G50. 

    Superb bit of kit. 
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  • Emp_FabEmp_Fab Frets: 13390
    That's got to win a prize of some sort as the most / least rock 'n roll statement ever!

    "I was wireless with my clarinet for about 10 years".  :)
    Birds are meant to fly free...  Open every cage you see.

    https://www.peta.org/about-peta/why-peta/caged-birds/
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  • drwiddlydrwiddly Frets: 336
    At least it wasn't a pink oboe!
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  • p90foolp90fool Frets: 8526
    fandango said:
    Interesting suggestions.

    The Shure system has the bast latency (4ms/7.3ms), followed by the Smooth Hound (8ms), and followed by the Ronin WS20 (12ms). The price follows the same order, with the new price of the Shure way more expensive than the other two.

    I think @Emp_Fab got a cracking deal on the Shure systems if it works out for him.


    12ms is awful, and truly audible to me. My Line 6 G10 has 2.76ms of latency and I suspect is cheaper than all of the above. 
    I know Smooth hound are British and all that but an additional 8ms on top of wandering away from your amps is not good enough, sorry. 
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  • vasselmeyervasselmeyer Frets: 2336
    I've gigged hundreds of times with my Smooth Hound. Maybe you have incredible ears but to me, 8ms is not noticeable.
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  • EricTheWearyEricTheWeary Frets: 7193
    edited July 4
    I'm pretty sure I can't hear the delay with my Smooth Hound although, as I've said before, my TU2 struggles with it a bit so I suspect that is that ( more recent tuners don't seem to have this issue). My ears aren't all that finally tuned I know. 

    Edit: just thinking out loud, we know 30ms is noticeable because that's used as an effect. Jan Akkerman uses Smooth Hound and I suspect he'd notice. So somewhere between that and 30ms is where most peoole would hear something 'out.' 
    Dum dum dum, dum dum de dum, dum dum dum, dum dummmm.
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  • John_PJohn_P Frets: 1602
    8ms is the equivalent of moving your amp about 2.5m further away.    
    Thats probably around the point where it starts to feel different- add in any extra latency from other digital conversions and it would be more noticeable.

    Im fairly sure I remember discussions about tracking on guitar synths in the old days and trying to get below 6ms as that was the point where it could feel different.   
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  • not_the_djnot_the_dj Frets: 5621
    I've gigged hundreds of times with my Smooth Hound. Maybe you have incredible ears but to me, 8ms is not noticeable.
    When I first got my Smooth Hound I thought I could detect it, it just felt ever so slightly different. I've used it for loads of gigs now and it's never been a real issue for me.
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  • FarleyUKFarleyUK Frets: 422
    Gigged with my new GLXD16 last week - superb :) Great bit of kit!
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  • drwiddlydrwiddly Frets: 336
    I bought the Xvive U2 system on a recommendation from a bandmate last year. It's a brilliant bit of kit and I can't detect any real difference when comparing it to cables. I can't say I notice any latency either.

    In one of the bands I'm in, the bass player uses a different wireless system and, if we 'cross the streams' mine can go intermittent. It doesn't happen everywhere but there are one or two venues where it's a problem so I'll use a cable there.

    No other issues- a charge lasts around 5 hours. You can charge from a USB port with a suitable adapter which takes a while or use the supplied charger which takes about an hour.
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  • LestratcasterLestratcaster Frets: 379
    drwiddly said:


    In one of the bands I'm in, the bass player uses a different wireless system and, if we 'cross the streams' mine can go intermittent. It doesn't happen everywhere but there are one or two venues where it's a problem so I'll use a cable there.

    Hmm I experience this sometimes too, all 3 of us use different wirelesses too, Line 6 Relay G50, the G10 and a Shure GLX6D. Usually they're fine at shows but one or two times my one (The G50) hasn't worked, for some reason. Either its a dead patch cable somewhere or a lead ain't working, a wrong connection I don't know. Its been fine for the past few shows though. I wouldn't have thought a different brand would interfere with another.
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  • mr-macmr-mac Frets: 196
    I've gigged hundreds of times with my Smooth Hound. Maybe you have incredible ears but to me, 8ms is not noticeable.
    When I first got my Smooth Hound I thought I could detect it, it just felt ever so slightly different. I've used it for loads of gigs now and it's never been a real issue for me.
    If no signal issues etc why not push the smooth hound and try 5ms???  8ms is just the default
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