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  • mikeyrob73mikeyrob73 Frets: 2252
    Sesh said:
    I see the OP's seller has started a discussion in the main guitar section. I think the suggestion of being a free loader may have touched a nerve. 

    Now, although I don't consider frets as heirachal, they do indicate a level of engagement on the forum. I'd be more worried dealing with a user with only a few frets than someone with more than 1000 as you'd assume a scammer would get banned before amassing a high fret count. Unless they were playing a really long game. Like @?????

    Cue everyone checking to see who has posted today 
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  • fretfinderfretfinder Frets: 2223
    Sesh said:
    I see the OP's seller has started a discussion in the main guitar section. I think the suggestion of being a free loader may have touched a nerve. 

    Now, although I don't consider frets as heirachal, they do indicate a level of engagement on the forum. I'd be more worried dealing with a user with only a few frets than someone with more than 1000 as you'd assume a scammer would get banned before amassing a high fret count. Unless they were playing a really long game. Like @?????

    Cue everyone checking to see who has posted today 
    I can’t spot it. Anyone got a link to it?
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  • lasermonkeylasermonkey Frets: 1412
    Me neither!
    My wife asked me to stop singing Wonderwall.
    I said maybe.....
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  • bingefellerbingefeller Frets: 5502
    Let's face it, the classifieds here aren't perfect - and they never will be and you can't please everyone - no site has perfect classifieds!  

    But they are 100% free and the ads reach quite a broad niche audience.  

    Weighing the pros and cons up I think we're pretty lucky to have here to be selling on.  Yes, sometimes things like this do happen, but I'm sure that things go smoothly more often than not.  
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  • fretfinderfretfinder Frets: 2223
    Does the username also appear in the title of a Morecambe and Wise movie?!  :)
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  • horsehorse Frets: 597
    Don't worry about it - buy my stuff instead
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  • bacchanalianbacchanalian Frets: 282
    edited June 7
    Does the username also appear in the title of a Morecambe and Wise movie?! 
    Lol awarded for nice obscure reference but I raise you Metronomy.

    I can see both sides here and it seems just to be a communication breakdown. However, if someone has asked for my PayPal details, then it is on hold until it becomes clear that no sale is taking place. 

    I have had a few cases of 'Ooh lovely, lets book a courier'. Then nothing, nada, zip! Would have preferred to be informed of the change of heart rather than landing myself in more debt on the back of a sale that did not go ahead. 
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  • fretfinderfretfinder Frets: 2223
    Does the username also appear in the title of a Morecambe and Wise movie?! 
    Lol awarded for nice obscure reference but I raise you Metronomy.
    Metronomy eh - do they play to a click track.  :)
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  • Jimbro66Jimbro66 Frets: 941
    I thought this thread was about missing out on some rare guitar opportunity but it turns out that all the drama and tears is about a set of Tele pickups. Wow.
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  • ColsCols Frets: 318
    Sesh said:
    I see the OP's seller has started a discussion in the main guitar section. I think the suggestion of being a free loader may have touched a nerve. 

    Now, although I don't consider frets as heirachal, they do indicate a level of engagement on the forum. I'd be more worried dealing with a user with only a few frets than someone with more than 1000 as you'd assume a scammer would get banned before amassing a high fret count. Unless they were playing a really long game. Like @?????

    Cue everyone checking to see who has posted today 
    I can’t spot it. Anyone got a link to it?
    Hint: it’s got nothing to do with buying and selling, more to do with Peter Green and Slash.  
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  • fretfinderfretfinder Frets: 2223
    Cols said:
    Sesh said:
    I see the OP's seller has started a discussion in the main guitar section. I think the suggestion of being a free loader may have touched a nerve. 

    Now, although I don't consider frets as heirachal, they do indicate a level of engagement on the forum. I'd be more worried dealing with a user with only a few frets than someone with more than 1000 as you'd assume a scammer would get banned before amassing a high fret count. Unless they were playing a really long game. Like @?????

    Cue everyone checking to see who has posted today 
    I can’t spot it. Anyone got a link to it?
    Hint: it’s got nothing to do with buying and selling, more to do with Peter Green and Slash.  
    Thanks, although we’d got there already - see posts above.  :)
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  • xbrooomxbrooom Frets: 253
    edited June 7
    It would be funny if any of us selling stuff, decided to open a thread everytime someone expresses interest in something we have for sale and then proceed to disappearing form the face of the earth...
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  • JohnnysevenJohnnyseven Frets: 274
    I've dealt with many timewasters buying and selling on forums, ebay and Gumtree. My mantra is always the first to pay me gets it. If the OP wasn't going to be able to pay for a period of time he could have told the seller. The seller wasn't to know you had just worked a night shift and were going to bed. It's understandable that he thought you had changed your mind. The fact is though that the OP could have averted this situation, so you can't lay the whole blame with the seller.
    My trading feedback can be seen here - http://www.thefretboard.co.uk/discussion/58242/
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  • StrangefanStrangefan Frets: 2911
    I'll give my opinion from the other side. . I was fully intending    to buy a djembe from @richh ; with my redundancy  unfortunately the amount was not what I was expecting and then the new job fell through  so I had to withdraw fro the sale , I offered to pay for the wasted time which he graciously declined,, he was a thorough gent regarding the change of cirsumstances and I still fell bad about it now, so it's not always as clear cut as buyers remorse :( sometimes life throws a curve ball and you have to change your financial  priorities, :/
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  • xbrooomxbrooom Frets: 253
    I'll give my opinion from the other side. . I was fully intending    to buy a djembe from @richh ; with my redundancy  unfortunately the amount was not what I was expecting and then the new job fell through  so I had to withdraw fro the sale , I offered to pay for the wasted time which he graciously declined,, he was a thorough gent regarding the change of cirsumstances and I still fell bad about it now, so it's not always as clear cut as buyers remorse :( sometimes life throws a curve ball and you have to change your financial  priorities, :/
    sure but the difference there is that you were responsible enough to actually contact the seller and let him know the situation had changed. Not only that, it's a very unfortunate situation. As a seller I completely understand that, and I'll move on.

    Some people never say a word again, they just can't be bothered. Others expect you to still have something available after 2 weeks, when they contacted you and said they were interested.
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  • mark123mark123 Frets: 303
    Jimbro66 said:
    I thought this thread was about missing out on some rare guitar opportunity but it turns out that all the drama and tears is about a set of Tele pickups. Wow.
    its the principle mate
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  • Handsome_ChrisHandsome_Chris Frets: 3658
    I am totally on the side of the OP.  If I say I'll take it and enquire how to pay, I do not believe that ten hours is an unreasonable time to wait for a seller to wait for my payment.  In fact, and I've got a feeling that I'm going to get flamed for this, I'll wait a whole day.  

    Saying that, I've only had one tyre kicker on here, who according to his account lived local to me . I gave him my number to contact me so he could look at the Les Paul I was selling - he disappeared.  Luckily Ellwood turned up and saved the day for me and I swapped it for a tasty Vigier . 
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  • Handsome_ChrisHandsome_Chris Frets: 3658
    mark123 said:
    Jimbro66 said:
    I thought this thread was about missing out on some rare guitar opportunity but it turns out that all the drama and tears is about a set of Tele pickups. Wow.
    its the principle mate
    Quite right . If someone can't honour a sale of pickups, can they be trusted with a guitar or amp sale?
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  • midlifecrisismidlifecrisis Frets: 1272
    back in 2013 i advertised a speaker cab on gumtree for £30.   someone rang up saying they desperately wanted it, rang up again to say they wanted it but couldnt get it until they got paid in three weeks time. Never heard back, shall i let it go or just move on?
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  • guitarfishbayguitarfishbay Frets: 7274
    edited June 8
    To be honest I mostly sell on eBay these days via Buy It Now, and only do shipping (not collection).  I just wait for them to do sales on fees, overall it's worked out the least hassle way to sell things.  My experience with selling on the forum has been positive, but the market is small.
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  • mbembe Frets: 670
    back in 2013 i advertised a speaker cab on gumtree for £30.   someone rang up saying they desperately wanted it, rang up again to say they wanted it but couldnt get it until they got paid in three weeks time. Never heard back, shall i let it go or just move on?
    I could buy it off you when I win the Lotto. Will you save it for me?
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  • FunkfingersFunkfingers Frets: 3488
    I'd like to think that honesty and integrity are still the heart of this forum.
    It might be easier to build a reputation for honesty and integrity if members bothered to leave trading feedback. 
    "It's no wonder the Pacific Ocean is blue."
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  • TTonyTTony Frets: 15136
    I'd like to think that honesty and integrity are still the heart of this forum.
    It might be easier to build a reputation for honesty and integrity if members bothered to leave trading feedback. 
    All part of the loss of "community".

    In the early days, most trades seemed to get feedback left and reputations were build and reinforced.  Nowadays ... join up, sell / buy something, bugger off until the next time.
    :( 
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  • TonyRTonyR Frets: 732
    I'd like to think that honesty and integrity are still the heart of this forum.
    It might be easier to build a reputation for honesty and integrity if members bothered to leave trading feedback. 
    Yes, this gets my goat, I’ve done quite a few deals on here both as a buyer and seller yet my trading feedback score is low simply because people don’t leave feedback - despite me leaving it for them!

    It’s not exactly hard to search the “Help and Feedback” section for somebody’s is it?
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  • guitarfishbayguitarfishbay Frets: 7274
    TonyR said:
    I'd like to think that honesty and integrity are still the heart of this forum.
    It might be easier to build a reputation for honesty and integrity if members bothered to leave trading feedback. 
    Yes, this gets my goat, I’ve done quite a few deals on here both as a buyer and seller yet my trading feedback score is low simply because people don’t leave feedback - despite me leaving it for them!

    It’s not exactly hard to search the “Help and Feedback” section for somebody’s is it?


    I've often sent a message saying I've left feedback, which usually prompts them to do the same.  I've got my feedback link in my signature, so it should be easy to find.  But if you really wanted the feedback you could PM your feedback thread rather than relying on them to search.  IIRC it's not that easy to find a feedback thread unless you go in a specific way.  If you just use the forum search on the top right it won't be one of the top hits just from searching there, so I suspect some people just can't be bothered after that point.
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  • BridgehouseBridgehouse Frets: 16332
    TTony said:
    I'd like to think that honesty and integrity are still the heart of this forum.
    It might be easier to build a reputation for honesty and integrity if members bothered to leave trading feedback. 
    All part of the loss of "community".

    In the early days, most trades seemed to get feedback left and reputations were build and reinforced.  Nowadays ... join up, sell / buy something, bugger off until the next time.
    :( 
    That’s part and parcel of being successful and growing as a forum
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  • TTonyTTony Frets: 15136
    TTony said:
    I'd like to think that honesty and integrity are still the heart of this forum.
    It might be easier to build a reputation for honesty and integrity if members bothered to leave trading feedback. 
    All part of the loss of "community".

    In the early days, most trades seemed to get feedback left and reputations were build and reinforced.  Nowadays ... join up, sell / buy something, bugger off until the next time.
    :( 
    That’s part and parcel of being successful and growing as a forum
    Judging "success" depends on what the objectives were.

    Judging "growth" depends on what the metrics are.

    The forum has changed.  Naturally, of course.  Has it changed for the better?  That's subjective, depending on what you think is good, or bad.
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  • BridgehouseBridgehouse Frets: 16332
    TTony said:
    TTony said:
    I'd like to think that honesty and integrity are still the heart of this forum.
    It might be easier to build a reputation for honesty and integrity if members bothered to leave trading feedback. 
    All part of the loss of "community".

    In the early days, most trades seemed to get feedback left and reputations were build and reinforced.  Nowadays ... join up, sell / buy something, bugger off until the next time.
    :( 
    That’s part and parcel of being successful and growing as a forum
    Judging "success" depends on what the objectives were.

    Judging "growth" depends on what the metrics are.

    The forum has changed.  Naturally, of course.  Has it changed for the better?  That's subjective, depending on what you think is good, or bad.
    I’m not sure you’d have all wanted to carry on doing it if it was only running for a few hundred members 
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  • fretfinderfretfinder Frets: 2223
    TonyR said:
    I'd like to think that honesty and integrity are still the heart of this forum.
    It might be easier to build a reputation for honesty and integrity if members bothered to leave trading feedback. 
    Yes, this gets my goat, I’ve done quite a few deals on here both as a buyer and seller yet my trading feedback score is low simply because people don’t leave feedback - despite me leaving it for them!

    It’s not exactly hard to search the “Help and Feedback” section for somebody’s is it?
    If I’ve bought or sold on here I always send the buyer/seller a link to my feedback page and ask if they wouldn’t mind leaving me feedback if they were happy with the deal. I also say that if they send me a link I’d be happy to leave feedback for them. So far I’ve always had feedback left for me and I’ve sometimes been sent a link so I can leave feedback for them. Some people just don’t seem to be aware that there is a feedback system though, and I once had the reply - ‘feedback, I didn’t know that was a thing!’  :)
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  • Jimbro66Jimbro66 Frets: 941
    If I’ve bought or sold on here I always send the buyer/seller a link to my feedback page and ask if they wouldn’t mind leaving me feedback if they were happy with the deal. I also say that if they send me a link I’d be happy to leave feedback for them. So far I’ve always had feedback left for me and I’ve sometimes been sent a link so I can leave feedback for them. Some people just don’t seem to be aware that there is a feedback system though, and I once had the reply - ‘feedback, I didn’t know that was a thing!’  :)
    That was certainly the case for me. Most my buying and selling was done during the first year of membership. There have been the odd items since but not much. It was only after I’d been here for some time, well over a year, that a member I bought a pedal from offered to leave me feedback. I had no idea what he meant. I’d thought of feedback only as an eBay thing. By then it was too late really to start building up a feedback page as most my sales/purchases were behind me. I rarely use the classifieds any more but the lack of any trading feedback does not seem to be an obstacle when I do.
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