Depressed with my live sound and Amp rig again. Maybe I need to downsize .

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  • John_AJohn_A Frets: 1342
    edited June 11
    The JCM900 will have the same 'too loud' issues as the 800, only it won't sound as good.

    Do us all a favour and buy a small amp or modeller, or get an attenuator and live with the weight and hassle
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  • You really need to try a Cornford Roadhouse 30. It’s got the gain boost you need and it’s got an effects loop, so with something like a spark boost Mini running in the loop you can get the volume boost you need for solos.
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  • DominicDominic Frets: 3489
    Attenuator for sure
    If not Friedman DSmini or similar and 2x12 cab
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  • supessupes Frets: 136
    Just a suggestion, but i had my Jcm800 modded to give it a built-in foot switchable boost. So normal rythym playing the volume is cut, stand on the pedal and it takes it back to proper volume giving it a lead volume boost (adjustable). 
    If you’re only going to be happy with a Jcm800 sound, this might be ideal for you. 
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  • hywelghywelg Frets: 1515
    Not sure what the anode voltages are on the 2203/4 but I put 6V6's in my 1987 (actually the Russian Mil 6P6S/6Π6C).  @ICBM will know. Needs rebiasing. Allowed the amp  to breath a little better. Subtle change of tone and earlier breakup. But I could turn it up. 
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  • TTBZTTBZ Frets: 556
    Digital is certainly an option! I've seen lots of big bands using digital (kemper and axefx mainly) and they sound awesome out the front, nobody can tell it's digital. It sounds and feels weird on stage though especially if they're using iem as all you can hear is drums.
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  • photekphotek Frets: 935
    supes said:
    Just a suggestion, but i had my Jcm800 modded to give it a built-in foot switchable boost. So normal rythym playing the volume is cut, stand on the pedal and it takes it back to proper volume giving it a lead volume boost (adjustable). 
    If you’re only going to be happy with a Jcm800 sound, this might be ideal for you. 
    This is pretty much what the HBE Detox and Greenhouse Effect Middle Man Boost achieve but without having to mod the amp. I have mentioned to the OP in another thread about the pedal but this vid gives a good idea of what it can do but obviously you don't have to have it with as much gain cut in the video when engaged.


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  • rawk100rawk100 Frets: 813
    My JCM900 50W SLX sounds good at low volumes and this is compared to the JCM2000 DSL, JCM900 dual reverb and JCM800 I used to own.
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  • riffpowersriffpowers Frets: 117
    rawk100 said:
    My JCM900 50W SLX sounds good at low volumes and this is compared to the JCM2000 DSL, JCM900 dual reverb and JCM800 I used to own.
    Thanks !! In my experience the JCM800's seem to have most of their volume before 4 on the dial!!
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  • ICBMICBM Frets: 31628
    riffpowers said:

    In my experience the JCM800's seem to have most of their volume before 4 on the dial!!
    If you think the 800s are bad, try an early-70s non-MV amp - they can reach full power before clipping at only about 2 on the dial, not helped by the over-large treble cap on the pot, which also makes them very harsh until the rest of the tone response catches up. The 2203/4 usually reaches full power at about 6, with the preamp gain up all the way.

    The 'taper' (which covers some aspects of the circuit gain as well as the actual pot taper itself) is responsible for a lot of the problems of amps being 'too loud'. No amp with a volume control is actually 'too loud', it's just that it can be difficult to set it precisely enough and at the same time as sounding good, since the way the pot interacts with the rest of the circuit can affect the tone.

    The JCM900s actually avoid this to some extent because their master volumes are rather unusual, and work by controlling gain in a switchable IC stage, independent of the valve circuit. Unfortunately they negated some the benefit of this by using terrible quality pots with a very non-smooth resistance track. But you may still find them more controllable than the 800, even without using the 25W 'Low' power (triode) mode, which doesn't sound as good, in my opinion.
    "Take these three items, some WD-40, a vise grip, and a roll of duct tape. Any man worth his salt can fix almost any problem with this stuff alone."
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  • rawk100rawk100 Frets: 813
    rawk100 said:
    My JCM900 50W SLX sounds good at low volumes and this is compared to the JCM2000 DSL, JCM900 dual reverb and JCM800 I used to own.
    Thanks !! In my experience the JCM800's seem to have most of their volume before 4 on the dial!!
    I'm running my SLX at about 1.5 on the volume and it's fine for the house (OK it would wake the kids up eventually but its by no means stupid loud) and sounds full and meaty. 1.5 on my old 2203 wouldve been stupid loud.
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  • riffpowersriffpowers Frets: 117
    edited June 12
    rawk100 said:
    rawk100 said:
    My JCM900 50W SLX sounds good at low volumes and this is compared to the JCM2000 DSL, JCM900 dual reverb and JCM800 I used to own.
    Thanks !! In my experience the JCM800's seem to have most of their volume before 4 on the dial!!
    I'm running my SLX at about 1.5 on the volume and it's fine for the house (OK it would wake the kids up eventually but its by no means stupid loud) and sounds full and meaty. 1.5 on my old 2203 wouldve been stupid loud.
    I used to play in a band with someone who had a dsl100. At gigs my  2204 was on 2 or 3, his was on about 6ish. 
    I think they're generally loud compared to other amps!!
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  • ESBlondeESBlonde Frets: 2299
    Less efficient speakers or configured to be less powerful to the output transformer, then attenuate if needed. Although having smaller more portable gear has it's appeal. Getting your ears used to and accepting a slightly different sound scape is the crux for me.
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  • It sounds to me like you need the EL34 version of the Victory Kraken in your life.

    Either that, or a Jet City Amelia (although they're not exactly small).

    However, with that said...I had many of the same problems as you, and it wasn't until I got the Helix that they've all been solved. I now run the Helix through a Yamaha DXR10, and all is good with the world. Literally any sound I want at any volume, and none of the weight.
    What amp models and IR's are you mainly using with the DXR10 ? any hi cut on the IR or on the global EQ ? I love my helix but still struggling to make it work in a live setting just direct into the PA. Just interested to know what works for you .
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  • professorbenprofessorben Frets: 4140
    John_P said:
    EVH 50   Use it as a two channel amp.
    This. 
    " Why does it smell of bum?" Mrs Professorben.
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  • CHRISB50CHRISB50 Frets: 1826
    rawk100 said:
    rawk100 said:
    My JCM900 50W SLX sounds good at low volumes and this is compared to the JCM2000 DSL, JCM900 dual reverb and JCM800 I used to own.
    Thanks !! In my experience the JCM800's seem to have most of their volume before 4 on the dial!!
    I'm running my SLX at about 1.5 on the volume and it's fine for the house (OK it would wake the kids up eventually but its by no means stupid loud) and sounds full and meaty. 1.5 on my old 2203 wouldve been stupid loud.


    I had a 4100 dual reverb that I used in the house. It actually sounded pretty good anywhere up to about 4 or 5, which was as loud as I dared crank it when I was a kid still living with parents.


    I sold it a few years ago, and had an unfortunate incident with the footswitch and the separate volume controls for each channel. After coming back from a service I tested channel 1 then switched over to channel 2 without checking the volume, which was at 10. My Mrs didn't speak to me for a couple of days (or I couldn't hear her when she did), and I've never seen the cats move so fast.


    They get a bad rep but I think they are lovely amps.

    I can't help about the shape I'm in, I can't sing I ain't pretty and my legs are thin

    But don't ask me what I think of you, I might not give the answer that you want me to

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  • ICBMICBM Frets: 31628
    CHRISB50 said:

    I sold it a few years ago, and had an unfortunate incident with the footswitch and the separate volume controls for each channel. After coming back from a service I tested channel 1 then switched over to channel 2 without checking the volume, which was at 10. My Mrs didn't speak to me for a couple of days (or I couldn't hear her when she did), and I've never seen the cats move so fast.
    lol

    I've seen someone do that with a Fender Stage 160W 2x12" in a shop as well :).

    I do also quite like the Dual Reverb models - but it has to be said I like hybrid sounds in general so that may not be surprising. I used to dislike the build quality, but compared to what Marshall did after that they seem positively great! I've often been tempted to get the little 100W 1x12" combo and upgrade everything that needs it (speaker and pots mostly).
    "Take these three items, some WD-40, a vise grip, and a roll of duct tape. Any man worth his salt can fix almost any problem with this stuff alone."
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