Depressed with my live sound and Amp rig again. Maybe I need to downsize .

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  • John_AJohn_A Frets: 1202
    edited June 11
    The JCM900 will have the same 'too loud' issues as the 800, only it won't sound as good.

    Do us all a favour and buy a small amp or modeller, or get an attenuator and live with the weight and hassle
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  • You really need to try a Cornford Roadhouse 30. It’s got the gain boost you need and it’s got an effects loop, so with something like a spark boost Mini running in the loop you can get the volume boost you need for solos.
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  • DominicDominic Frets: 3303
    Attenuator for sure
    If not Friedman DSmini or similar and 2x12 cab
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  • supessupes Frets: 136
    Just a suggestion, but i had my Jcm800 modded to give it a built-in foot switchable boost. So normal rythym playing the volume is cut, stand on the pedal and it takes it back to proper volume giving it a lead volume boost (adjustable). 
    If you’re only going to be happy with a Jcm800 sound, this might be ideal for you. 
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  • hywelghywelg Frets: 1483
    Not sure what the anode voltages are on the 2203/4 but I put 6V6's in my 1987 (actually the Russian Mil 6P6S/6Π6C).  @ICBM will know. Needs rebiasing. Allowed the amp  to breath a little better. Subtle change of tone and earlier breakup. But I could turn it up. 
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  • TTBZTTBZ Frets: 521
    Digital is certainly an option! I've seen lots of big bands using digital (kemper and axefx mainly) and they sound awesome out the front, nobody can tell it's digital. It sounds and feels weird on stage though especially if they're using iem as all you can hear is drums.
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  • photekphotek Frets: 916
    supes said:
    Just a suggestion, but i had my Jcm800 modded to give it a built-in foot switchable boost. So normal rythym playing the volume is cut, stand on the pedal and it takes it back to proper volume giving it a lead volume boost (adjustable). 
    If you’re only going to be happy with a Jcm800 sound, this might be ideal for you. 
    This is pretty much what the HBE Detox and Greenhouse Effect Middle Man Boost achieve but without having to mod the amp. I have mentioned to the OP in another thread about the pedal but this vid gives a good idea of what it can do but obviously you don't have to have it with as much gain cut in the video when engaged.


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  • rawk100rawk100 Frets: 760
    My JCM900 50W SLX sounds good at low volumes and this is compared to the JCM2000 DSL, JCM900 dual reverb and JCM800 I used to own.
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  • riffpowersriffpowers Frets: 107
    rawk100 said:
    My JCM900 50W SLX sounds good at low volumes and this is compared to the JCM2000 DSL, JCM900 dual reverb and JCM800 I used to own.
    Thanks !! In my experience the JCM800's seem to have most of their volume before 4 on the dial!!
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  • ICBMICBM Frets: 30851
    riffpowers said:

    In my experience the JCM800's seem to have most of their volume before 4 on the dial!!
    If you think the 800s are bad, try an early-70s non-MV amp - they can reach full power before clipping at only about 2 on the dial, not helped by the over-large treble cap on the pot, which also makes them very harsh until the rest of the tone response catches up. The 2203/4 usually reaches full power at about 6, with the preamp gain up all the way.

    The 'taper' (which covers some aspects of the circuit gain as well as the actual pot taper itself) is responsible for a lot of the problems of amps being 'too loud'. No amp with a volume control is actually 'too loud', it's just that it can be difficult to set it precisely enough and at the same time as sounding good, since the way the pot interacts with the rest of the circuit can affect the tone.

    The JCM900s actually avoid this to some extent because their master volumes are rather unusual, and work by controlling gain in a switchable IC stage, independent of the valve circuit. Unfortunately they negated some the benefit of this by using terrible quality pots with a very non-smooth resistance track. But you may still find them more controllable than the 800, even without using the 25W 'Low' power (triode) mode, which doesn't sound as good, in my opinion.
    "Take these three items, some WD-40, a vise grip, and a roll of duct tape. Any man worth his salt can fix almost any problem with this stuff alone."
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  • rawk100rawk100 Frets: 760
    rawk100 said:
    My JCM900 50W SLX sounds good at low volumes and this is compared to the JCM2000 DSL, JCM900 dual reverb and JCM800 I used to own.
    Thanks !! In my experience the JCM800's seem to have most of their volume before 4 on the dial!!
    I'm running my SLX at about 1.5 on the volume and it's fine for the house (OK it would wake the kids up eventually but its by no means stupid loud) and sounds full and meaty. 1.5 on my old 2203 wouldve been stupid loud.
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  • riffpowersriffpowers Frets: 107
    edited June 12
    rawk100 said:
    rawk100 said:
    My JCM900 50W SLX sounds good at low volumes and this is compared to the JCM2000 DSL, JCM900 dual reverb and JCM800 I used to own.
    Thanks !! In my experience the JCM800's seem to have most of their volume before 4 on the dial!!
    I'm running my SLX at about 1.5 on the volume and it's fine for the house (OK it would wake the kids up eventually but its by no means stupid loud) and sounds full and meaty. 1.5 on my old 2203 wouldve been stupid loud.
    I used to play in a band with someone who had a dsl100. At gigs my  2204 was on 2 or 3, his was on about 6ish. 
    I think they're generally loud compared to other amps!!
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  • ESBlondeESBlonde Frets: 2227
    Less efficient speakers or configured to be less powerful to the output transformer, then attenuate if needed. Although having smaller more portable gear has it's appeal. Getting your ears used to and accepting a slightly different sound scape is the crux for me.
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