Why would anyone buy a vinyl playing setup?

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  • vizviz Frets: 5097
    edited November 27
    Like @Roberty says, the other delight is the upgradeability of record replay and the incremental benefits each upgrade gives you in sound. With each upgrade you hear more from the recording, and it also becomes more and more realistic and listenable-to, which is amazing. Sometimes you think it couldn’t be improved upon and then it just is. I can listen to my records for hours and hours, it’s just so enjoyable.

    For me the ONLY downside is the inconvenience, and I have just taken a decision not to mind that. 
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  • SporkySporky Frets: 14664
    Yes, I agree, good vinyl sounds better than badly mastered CDs.
    And good CD sounds better than bad vinyl.

    Frankly all that says is that good is better than bad. 
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  • HattigolHattigol Frets: 1651
    Vinyl is not quite as handy for listening in the car.

    Then again, my current car doesn't have a CD player, just a USB port. What the hell's that about?
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  • ICBMICBM Frets: 33914
    roberty said:

    Having said that, the so-called revival is just 157,000 people spending £400 per year:

    http://www.gizmodo.co.uk/2018/05/the-vinyl-revival-is-just-a-few-blokes-buying-everything/
    That confirms what I expected. That doesn’t mean that anyone who likes vinyl or prefers the sound of it is wrong, but it isn’t the revival it’s being made out to be - there are probably the same sort of number of people still using film cameras. (Just guessing, I have no idea - but it's the same sort of niche hobby format now.)

    I'm much more surprised about the small number of Blu-Ray buyers.
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  • robinbowesrobinbowes Frets: 1840
    viz said:
    Like @Roberty says, the other delight is the upgradeability of record replay and the incremental benefits each upgrade gives you in sound. With each upgrade you hear more from the recording, and it also becomes more and more realistic and listenable-to, which is amazing. Sometimes you think it couldn’t be improved upon and then it just is. I can listen to my records for hours and hours, it’s just so enjoyable.

    For me the ONLY downside is the inconvenience, and I have just taken a decision not to mind that. 
    "upgradeability of record replay"

    "
    With each upgrade you hear more from the recording"

    It's almost as if it was shit to start with ;)
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  • robinbowesrobinbowes Frets: 1840
    Sporky said:
    Yes, I agree, good vinyl sounds better than badly mastered CDs.
    And good CD sounds better than bad vinyl.

    Frankly all that says is that good is better than bad. 
    Exactly my point.
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  • vizviz Frets: 5097
    edited November 27
    viz said:
    Like @Roberty says, the other delight is the upgradeability of record replay and the incremental benefits each upgrade gives you in sound. With each upgrade you hear more from the recording, and it also becomes more and more realistic and listenable-to, which is amazing. Sometimes you think it couldn’t be improved upon and then it just is. I can listen to my records for hours and hours, it’s just so enjoyable.

    For me the ONLY downside is the inconvenience, and I have just taken a decision not to mind that. 
    "upgradeability of record replay"

    "With each upgrade you hear more from the recording"

    It's almost as if it was shit to start with
    Ha touché, yes and you can spend A LOT to make it really amazing. BUT the improvements definitely suffer from diminishing returns, so that’s not inconsistent with the medium sounding quite good with an initial relatively modest investment! - much like guitars, amps and boutique pedals I guess. 

    I think the minimum I’d go for, to make it sound good enough, would be a rega planar 3 and rb300 tonearm or similar, a denon DL-103 cartridge, and a ProJect phonobox, which would cost 300 (2nd hand) + 175 + 90 = less than 600 quid. That is a lot of money obviously but only twice as much as a good-ish CD player. And the components tend to hold their value. 

    From then on, the sky’s the limit. 
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  • robertyroberty Frets: 666
    viz said:
    viz said:
    Like @Roberty says, the other delight is the upgradeability of record replay and the incremental benefits each upgrade gives you in sound. With each upgrade you hear more from the recording, and it also becomes more and more realistic and listenable-to, which is amazing. Sometimes you think it couldn’t be improved upon and then it just is. I can listen to my records for hours and hours, it’s just so enjoyable.

    For me the ONLY downside is the inconvenience, and I have just taken a decision not to mind that. 
    "upgradeability of record replay"

    "With each upgrade you hear more from the recording"

    It's almost as if it was shit to start with
    Ha touché, yes and you can spend A LOT to make it really amazing. BUT the improvements definitely suffer from diminishing returns, so it’s actually quite good with an initial relatively modest investment! - much like guitars, amps and boutique pedals I guess. 

    I think the minimum I’d go for, to make it sound good enough, would be a rega planar 3 and rb300 tonearm or similar, a denon DL-103 cartridge, and a ProJect phonobox, which would cost 300 (2nd hand) + 175 + 90 = less than 600 quid. That is a lot of money obviously but only twice as much as a good-ish CD player. And the components tend to hold their value. 

    From then on, the sky’s the limit. 
    That's the hobby side of it. Collecting and listening to records is a hobby. I'm sure we can all relate to that :-)
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  • robinbowesrobinbowes Frets: 1840
    roberty said:
    That's the hobby side of it. Collecting and listening to records is a hobby. I'm sure we can all relate to that :-)

    There's nothing wrong with having a hobby, or enjoying records, etc. but please spare me the "vinyl is better than digital" crap. :)

    R.
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  • munckee said:
    My 13 year old daughter wants a record player and some vinyl for christmas as its so cool that you have to lift a needle and actually put in on a spinning disc!

    I'll get her my billy bragg and the jam lps that I got for 20p each from the library out of the loft in the late 80s, have a few 90s soup dragons/stone roses as well up there I think.

    My daughter is the same, she wants to to start buying LP's and listen to Non Simon Cowell music :) Wish i had kept my Jam LPS now, stupid me went and sold the lot for CD's.
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  • ICBMICBM Frets: 33914
    guitartango said:

    My daughter is the same, she wants to to start buying LP's and listen to Non Simon Cowell music :) Wish i had kept my Jam LPS now, stupid me went and sold the lot for CD's.
    When my daughter recently discovered she liked Queen, it was very easy for me to simply transfer my ripped CDs to her phone. (Yes, I know that's technically illegal... but I did at least buy the CDs originally, when they weren't that cheap.)
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  • robertyroberty Frets: 666
    roberty said:
    That's the hobby side of it. Collecting and listening to records is a hobby. I'm sure we can all relate to that :-)

    There's nothing wrong with having a hobby, or enjoying records, etc. but please spare me the "vinyl is better than digital" crap. :)

    R.
    It seems to be mostly older audiophiles who never made the switch to CD who will claim this. Hipsters tend to be more concerned with the music than the reproduction of it
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  • JAYJOJAYJO Frets: 920
    Downloads for me. Much safer in our house. you cant get hit in the face with one.
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  • On a site where people applaud £3k guitars when 6 £500 epiphones and Squiers would be more convenient and versatile, I'm not sure picking faults in the hobbys of people who buy and listen to music in a particular way is all that fair a target ;)

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  • SporkySporky Frets: 14664
    I don't think six guitars is more convenient than one. The straps get tangled up and it's hard to work out which to strum to match the one you're fretting, and it's very heavy to have them all on at once.
    Parachutes are great, for dogs and Frenchmen. 
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  • Tone71Tone71 Frets: 284
    I like my LP's as I've had them since my teens, I still listen to them frequently and buy albums occasionally, I also buy and listen to CD's and listen to Spotify.

    I don't consider one format to be better than any other, but am no audiophile, I just like music.

     I do however like the muscle memory and childhood nostalgia of lifting the needle and hearing the crackle before the music starts.
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  • THE FINAL WORD: DOWNLOADS DON'T HAVE A COVER YOU CAN SKIN UP ON
    "Working" software has only unobserved bugs. (Parroty Error: Pieces of Nine! Pieces of Nine!)
    Seriously: If you value it, take/fetch it yourself
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  • darthed1981darthed1981 Frets: 2364
    THE FINAL WORD: DOWNLOADS DON'T HAVE A COVER YOU CAN SKIN UP ON
    No but the size phone screens are getting now you can skin up on those.
    Warning: this post may contain overtly affectionate references to Mary Spender
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  • darthed1981darthed1981 Frets: 2364
    On a site where people applaud £3k guitars when 6 £500 epiphones and Squiers would be more convenient and versatile, I'm not sure picking faults in the hobbys of people who buy and listen to music in a particular way is all that fair a target ;)
    That's true, but when the site was set up the URL "thehypocrisyboard.co.uk" was taken...
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  • blobbblobb Frets: 938
    edited November 27

    @Phil_aka_Pip name the band / album - 5 points. Came with a CD.

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    Feelin' Reelin' & Squeelin'
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  • @blobb ; no idea. but a physical medium with a cover was still involved ;) you could do a short spliff on a CD cover. Is that one divided up for roach?
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  • THE FINAL WORD: DOWNLOADS DON'T HAVE A COVER YOU CAN SKIN UP ON
    No but the size phone screens are getting now you can skin up on those.
    tablets, yes. maybe a smartphone but IMO that's as fiddly as a CD case and you're just as likely to lose your stash on the floor.
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  • blobbblobb Frets: 938
    Ozrics - Curious corn. I think it's perforated so you can write peoples phone numbers on and tear off a section, or something like that. Like the same way Jurassic shift album cover was made out of Hemp for environmental reasons!
    Feelin' Reelin' & Squeelin'
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  • TheMarlinTheMarlin Frets: 1475
    blobb said:
    Ozrics - Curious corn. I think it's perforated so you can write peoples phone numbers on and tear off a section, or something like that. Like the same way Jurassic shift album cover was made out of Hemp for environmental reasons!
    I’ve got both of those. Not played then in a good while. May dust the down tomorrow night :)
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  • ICBMICBM Frets: 33914
    Sporky said:
    I don't think six guitars is more convenient than one. The straps get tangled up and it's hard to work out which to strum to match the one you're fretting, and it's very heavy to have them all on at once.

    "Take these three items, some WD-40, a vise grip, and a roll of duct tape. Any man worth his salt can fix almost any problem with this stuff alone."
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  • SporkySporky Frets: 14664
    Well, OK, if it's good enough for Rik Mayall...
    Parachutes are great, for dogs and Frenchmen. 
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  • randellarandella Frets: 1920
    roberty said:
    I'm more likely to sit through a whole album if I put a record on, sometimes I'll flip it a few times and listen more than once
    Yes.  Same here.  The ritual of getting a drink, putting on a record, and just sitting back to listen to it.  That's why I like vinyl.

    I like streaming services too, but I'm a terrible skipper of tracks.  Either that or I'm half-listening while doing boring tasks at work or sitting on the train.
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  • Interesting thread. I have a small collection of vinyl from the last few years, maybe not more than 30, ready to use when I finally settle down and can buy a record player.

    I've been thinning down my CD collection in the meantime to just the "really" good ones, I'm still debating proceeding with the whole vinyl thing.

    I've kept the CDs I'll sit down and listen to as an album and got rid of the ones I've been "meh" about, or that I haven't listened to in years. (Probably good reason I haven't gone back and listened to them).

    Pretty much all of them are on Spotify anyhow, and I can't tell any difference in sound quality between them and the CDs I used to have.

    So much so, that I would be more inclined to focus on good speakers etc than what format the music is in....

    I do like the look of vinyl and looking at the artwork etc. In decision....
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  • robertyroberty Frets: 666

    So much so, that I would be more inclined to focus on good speakers etc than what format the music is in....

    Modern digital sources and modern amplifiers are transparent, the only places where audible distortions occur are in the speakers and the room.  A third source of distortion would be a vinyl front end.  So speakers should be the first priority for any system I think.  Amplifiers can be chosen based on build quality, wattage and features.  You can start with a modest turntable and it still be fun, probably more so than when heavily invested
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