them again

ecc83

I post it just for interest and, (I hope reasoned) comment. I am personally averse to single ended designs. The single EL84 in a cheap practice amp makes sense, sort of but if you want 10 watts+ push -pull is more efficient, transformers are cheaper and they have far better power supply noise rejection.

Dave.

StrummyBrummie

Inevitably someone will point out that this is in the posted in the wrong section. Probably best to just move it now before they do.

hywelg

My ears can't unhear that el84 hard edge to the treble response. 

ecc83

hywelg said:

My ears can't unhear that el84 hard edge to the treble response. 

Oh! I thought they were EL34, 6L6 and possibly KT88? Will check.

Dave.

prowla

Dangerous killer hooligan...

ecc83

The 10th Anniversary amps feature:

• ECC83 valve in the preamp stage
• Specially voiced EL34, 6L6 and KT-88 power amplifiers
• Clean and Boost or Overdrive settings, which are footswitchable
• Specially voiced Reverb, speaker emulated output and effects loop
• A super cool retro styling
• A Celestion 70/80 loudspeaker

Yus, no EL84.

Dave.

thecolourbox

Yeah they sound alright but be good to see some demonstrations without the talking

ecc83

thecolourbox said:

Yeah they sound alright but be good to see some demonstrations without the talking

Quite agree!  I also wonder why they put an 80W speaker in an amp that could never kick more than 12 watts or so? (unlike p-p designs) I also think the 70/80 is on on ICBM's hit list?

Dave.

mbe

I'm gonna buy 11 tomorrow 'cause that's 1 louder than 10. Right?

stickyfiddle

I like the EL84 thing but didn't hear it in those clips.

I thought the 6L6 one sounded quite good on the vid, fwiw.

ICBM

ecc83 said:

I am personally averse to single ended designs. The single EL84 in a cheap practice amp makes sense, sort of but if you want 10 watts+ push -pull is more efficient, transformers are cheaper and they have far better power supply noise rejection.

There's a definite different characteristic to the sound, and I do actually like the typical sound of a single-ended amp with a big valve - I'm not sure why, although I suspect it might actually have something to do with the greater hum!

ecc83 said:

I also wonder why they put an 80W speaker in an amp that could never kick more than 12 watts or so? (unlike p-p designs) I also think the 70/80 is on on ICBM's hit list?

As we've always said, probably much cheapness...

Otherwise it's a strange choice for such a low-powered amp - or in fact any amp that you want to sound lively at whatever power level. It's usually thought of as a good choice for modelling amps because it's rather stiff and flat-sounding, so it doesn't tend to colour the sound in a particular way.

There are now other Celestions which don't cost a fortune that they could have used though, not least the V-Type which I think they already are using in the Artist series. Using up old stock perhaps?

stickyfiddle said:

I like the EL84 thing but didn't hear it in those clips.

I thought the 6L6 one sounded quite good on the vid, fwiw.

Likewise - I hear quite a tight sound... but that's typical of Blackstar rather than typical of EL84s. I still think it sounds better than anything I've heard from them before.

Still not keen on top-mounted controls though!

impmann

https://youtu.be/GBkHmbnBPuM

impmann

https://youtu.be/VJk1ogRRHgs

meltedbuzzbox

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