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  • digitalscreamdigitalscream Frets: 10406
    dindude said:
    Agree, and remember this looks like a flagship and is priced accordingly, with ll the R&D that involves.

    I'm looking forward to the lesser models which will hopefully bounce off this, as I don't personally need 4 amps at once and a lot of the other functionality, but do want an easy to use, great sounding modeller to play about with.
    Precisely - when you've spent 4 years developing a product, you've already lost millions. This probably has rather more expensive components than your average top-of-the-range smartphone, added to which there's the software development overhead of modelling amps and effects down to the component level...it's pretty easy to see where they've racked up the costs IMO.
    "Mains is ouchy if you get it up you" - Sporky
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  • Drew_TNBDDrew_TNBD Frets: 22372
    Did you see that there are 4 pages of parameters for the effects... At least the harmony delay looks like it does with those dots indicating page numbers.
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  • GrumpyrockerGrumpyrocker Frets: 536
    Given how much guitarists are willing to pay for bits of wood with wire strung across them and amplifiers labelled "boutique" built like 1950s mass produced televisions I think the price of a big piece of technology like this seems perfectly reasonable.

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  • digitalscreamdigitalscream Frets: 10406
    Drew_fx said:
    Did you see that there are 4 pages of parameters for the effects... At least the harmony delay looks like it does with those dots indicating page numbers.
    Yep. Not limited to 4 either, I'd imagine.

    I do wonder what sort of options you have with the signal chain compared with the outputs - for example, could you take an output before the cab model (or impulse) for your on-stage amp, and then one at the end of the signal chain for direct-to-PA?

    Not that it'd matter anyway if I was going to get one, because I'd primarily be after it for a shoulder-saving lightweight rig - my guitar, this and an active monitor and I'm done.
    "Mains is ouchy if you get it up you" - Sporky
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  • Think I'm in... I've been through about 3 variations on the pod thing and tbh, deep down a part of me loves line6!
    Give a man a fire and he's warm for the day. But set fire to him and he's warm for the rest of his life
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  • Drew_TNBDDrew_TNBD Frets: 22372
    I'm very interested in this. It looks to be what I've been wanting to get for years.
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  • monquixotemonquixote Frets: 8010
    Drew_fx said:
    I'm very interested in this. It looks to be what I've been wanting to get for years.
    Me too.

    I'm sure something subtle will be broken in a way that makes it unusable, but it's the first multi which seems to do everything I want.
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  • xtroublextrouble Frets: 80
    Looks great, love the labels and colour coding. Bloody shiny toys ! 

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  • Drew_TNBDDrew_TNBD Frets: 22372
    Hopefully they've spent some of the CPU cycles on seamless patch switching and trails. If they've done that... then it should really really kick ass.
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  • Drew_TNBDDrew_TNBD Frets: 22372
    And if the amp modelling sounded good, I'd probably sell my Kemper to get this, tbh.
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  • Drew_TNBDDrew_TNBD Frets: 22372
    And a regular kettle lead for the power... they've really taken all of our past criticisms on board it looks like! I might be getting ready for a Line 6 love-in !!
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  • GrumpyrockerGrumpyrocker Frets: 536
    Rack version and footswitch:

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  • monquixotemonquixote Frets: 8010
    edited June 2015
    I'd be quite tempted to get the rack and foot controller. 

    I don't fancy getting a pint dumped over a grands worth of FX processor. 

    I also really like that the rack and floorboard is the same price as the integrated unit.

    EDIT:  I can't read
    Handsome_Chris said: Like white Nile Rodgers. 
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  • digitalscreamdigitalscream Frets: 10406
    Drew_fx said:
    Hopefully they've spent some of the CPU cycles on seamless patch switching and trails. If they've done that... then it should really really kick ass.
    Dual DSPs...you'd think they've got the multiple-signal-path thing sorted at least, so you'd be able to morph between signal chains with the expression pedal like Clarky does with the Axe FX II.

    I'd be shocked if they hadn't got trails, though. That's such an obvious thing for a flagship product that they'd need to hang their heads in shame if it couldn't do it.
    "Mains is ouchy if you get it up you" - Sporky
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  • digitalscreamdigitalscream Frets: 10406

    I also really like that the rack and floorboard is the same price as the integrated unit.
    It's not - the rack is the same price as the floor unit, the controller is $499 extra.
    "Mains is ouchy if you get it up you" - Sporky
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  • spacecadetspacecadet Frets: 660
    Pretty sure I read it had trails. Almost a basic requirement now but certainly at that price. 


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  • hugbothugbot Frets: 1525
    edited June 2015
    I don't see why this shouldn't sound comparable to the AFX. The processing power is there, the knowledge is there. Its just a matter of not fucking it up.
    Drew_fx said:
    Did you see that there are 4 pages of parameters for the effects... At least the harmony delay looks like it does with those dots indicating page numbers.
    Yep. Not limited to 4 either, I'd imagine.

    I do wonder what sort of options you have with the signal chain compared with the outputs - for example, could you take an output before the cab model (or impulse) for your on-stage amp, and then one at the end of the signal chain for direct-to-PA?

    According to the line 6 rep yes.

    My guess is that those arrows at the right side of the screen indicate outputs and you just route the chain to those and set what they are.

    Apparantly there is no more "cab mode/studio mode" nonsense either, you just route accordingly.


    Drew_fx said:
    Hopefully they've spent some of the CPU cycles on seamless patch switching and trails. If they've done that... then it should really really kick ass.

    No patch changing with trails they say.
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  • spacecadetspacecadet Frets: 660
    No patch changing with trails they say.
    Don't follow but I haven't had much coffee yet! Does that mean no trails between presets?
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  • monquixotemonquixote Frets: 8010

    I also really like that the rack and floorboard is the same price as the integrated unit.
    It's not - the rack is the same price as the floor unit, the controller is $499 extra.
    Doh, reading fail.
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  • hugbothugbot Frets: 1525


    No patch changing with trails they say.
    Don't follow but I haven't had much coffee yet! Does that mean no trails between presets?
    Yeah they say they might impliment it in future but I'm not holding my breath as far as line 6 future support goes.
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  • digitalscreamdigitalscream Frets: 10406
    hugbot said:
    No patch changing with trails they say.
    FFFFFFFFFFFS.

    Well, there it is. They've managed to fuck it before it's even started.
    "Mains is ouchy if you get it up you" - Sporky
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  • Drew_TNBDDrew_TNBD Frets: 22372
    hugbot said:


    No patch changing with trails they say.
    Don't follow but I haven't had much coffee yet! Does that mean no trails between presets?
    Yeah they say they might impliment it in future but I'm not holding my breath as far as line 6 future support goes.
    Line 6's support isn't that bad tbh. They've released several firmware updates to the Pod HD series. Are they as prolific as Fractal? No. But Fractal would release a new firmware to correct a typo!
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  • This looks great, but there's no way on earth I'd ever have the time to set it up and tweak it properly. For those of us with that spare time, though, I bet it will kick some arse.
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  • spacecadetspacecadet Frets: 660
    Just found something about the trails. One of the Line 6 guys said no for the launch but there will be some "pretty nutty ideas" coming in the future. 

    Back when I was using Pod Xt Live the updates were great. Not too often but every one that came added some great features without completely ruining or changing things. The support has always been great.
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  • spacecadetspacecadet Frets: 660
    I'm also guessing if enough people moan about it, it will be easy enough for them to do a quick tweak and put it in. It won;t be here till summer apparently. 
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  • Drew_TNBDDrew_TNBD Frets: 22372
    Apparently you can design your presets to do a sort of pseudo-spillover... so I'm guessing that means scenes within presets.
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  • Drew_TNBDDrew_TNBD Frets: 22372

    The reverbs and eight of the ten wahs come from HD, but they've been rebuilt in HX, so they sound better. All other effects have been created from scratch within HX. To pull some of them off, we've had to physically model the behavior of incandescent light bulbs, transistors, bucket brigade chips, and other components. Completely new architecture and DSP engine.



    From Digital Igloo (Line 6 employee)

    I hope there are more parameters with the reverbs, although if they've been ported over... I suspect not. Be interested to hear what the quality improvement does to the Particle Reverb.
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  • Drew_TNBDDrew_TNBD Frets: 22372
    There are completely new delay models as well.

    Comment by Phil_m over at Gear Page - he's a Line 6 expert too.
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  • GrumpyrockerGrumpyrocker Frets: 536
    I should stop reading this thread. I just can't afford to the consequences. :)

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  • bingefellerbingefeller Frets: 5048
    Remember they were doing announcing something about this at Winter NAMM but it never came about?  Looks and sounds very interesting. 
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