EU Referendum Vote - Poll

Phil_aka_Pip

Snap said:

Besides, I think remain will win by a big margin. People don't like change and unknowns, and Leave is one big unknown.

Only for them that can't remember what it was like before we joined the EEC. Joining it might have helped trade by removing tariffs but it wasn't long before they tried to politically integrate assimilate us as well. I could agree with removing tariffs, agreeing to sell in metric units, and all that, but I can't see why that should commit us to currency union, political union, and unrestricted movement of peoples.

Mkjackary

One of the other leading members f the lead party is priti Patel, usually the chick standing next to Boris. Very right wing, quite authoritarian. Against gay marriage and for death penalty and all that.

And she is my MP. I'm not a massive Tory basher, but she is quite the whore.


I think the leave campaign should involve the labour mp Gisela Stuart, she is likable at the very least.

chillidoggy

I've just Googled Priti Patel. She's well hot!

FarleyUK

chillidoggy said:

I've just Googled Priti Patel. She's well hot!

You mean she's very.......

.....Priti?

Chalky

FarleyUK;1099428" said:

chillidoggy said:

I've just Googled Priti Patel. She's well hot!





You mean she's very.......

.....Priti?

The rest of us resisted but you just couldn't stop yourself.... )

Snap

Phil_aka_Pip said:

Snap said:

Besides, I think remain will win by a big margin. People don't like change and unknowns, and Leave is one big unknown.

Only for them that can't remember what it was like before we joined the EEC. Joining it might have helped trade by removing tariffs but it wasn't long before they tried to politically integrate assimilate us as well. I could agree with removing tariffs, agreeing to sell in metric units, and all that, but I can't see why that should commit us to currency union, political union, and unrestricted movement of peoples.

It won't lead to currency union, never will. LEave or remain, we will have the pound as long as we want it.

Polticial/legal union is another issue - as is today, we have a fair amount of legal union, but still have the ability to get out of EU legisaltion to a point, and I think we always will have, with us having such a strong economy, we are a big player in the EU, gives us clout

If we leave, and we go down the single market/trade alliance route (which I think is a certainty in the event of an out), we will still ahve to make some big concessions - open borders, legal alignment, adoption of EU directives (maybe not all), so the actual state of play will probably not be a lot different.

As for not feeling the impact of leaving, I think the impact could be massive, and we will all feel it, especially if if destabilises the rest of the EU and pushes some of the more fragile members into default. We could feel it in our pockets all over the place - interest rates, price of goods, stock market instability, potential recession etc etc. It could be quite a major thing.

Then of course, it may not. That is the uncertainty of Leave.

I'm pretty much decided on Remain, but I'm waivering a bit, the more I read about the likelihood of single market/equivalent membership. That, for me, mitigates a lot of the risk of leaving.

Drew_TNBD

Sambostar said:

Drew is old fashioned. 

I'm really not.

eSully

MPs could initiate ‘reverse Maastricht’ to minimise number of EU laws the UK pulls out of, or push for a second referendum in the case of a leave vote!

One possibility for pro-Europeans would be to insert a clause demanding a second referendum on the terms of the renegotiation, or to run a guerrilla campaign to minimise the number of EU laws from which the UK would withdraw. One pro-European MP said: “We would have to respect the mandate of the referendum, but there is still plenty of scope on how and when we quit the EU.”

ToneControl

Snap said:

As for not feeling the impact of leaving, I think the impact could be massive, and we will all feel it, especially if if destabilises the rest of the EU and pushes some of the more fragile members into default. We could feel it in our pockets all over the place - interest rates, price of goods, stock market instability, potential recession etc etc. It could be quite a major thing.

Holidays in Greece and Spain would be cheap again

We would have duty free at the airports and ports again

woo hoo

UnclePsychosis

Gove caught telling big fat fibs again.

http://www.ifs.org.uk/about/blog/346

Snap

ToneControl said:

Snap said:

As for not feeling the impact of leaving, I think the impact could be massive, and we will all feel it, especially if if destabilises the rest of the EU and pushes some of the more fragile members into default. We could feel it in our pockets all over the place - interest rates, price of goods, stock market instability, potential recession etc etc. It could be quite a major thing.

Holidays in Greece and Spain would be cheap again

We would have duty free at the airports and ports again

woo hoo

wel there is that, fk it, I'm out!

Cheap hols? Tunisia is cheap, as is Egypt. There's a few downsides, but hey, nothing too drastic......

Rocker

An Exit vote will have serious effects on Northern Ireland.  It has been forgotten about in the overall debate.  The vote comes at least 25 years too soon for NI.  NI needs a lot of time to sort itself out after years of conflict and to allow the Peace Process to become ingrained in peoples minds.  And to allow commercial activity to establish itself and grow in the province.

Edit: just found this on the RTE Aertel website: http://www.rte.ie/aertel/desktopxhtml/109-1.html.  

digitalscream

Apologies if this has already been mentioned (19 pages...too much, even for me), but I'm still baffled by the assertion that the EU is run by unelected, unaccountable people.

Look at it...

European Council - all the heads of government (which, given that every country has representative democracy in place, means that they were elected by the population)

European Parliament - all the MEPs, who we vote for every time. We have the joint-highest number of MEPs in the parliament (just shy of 10% of the total), so we actually have more influence here than any other country.

European Commission - this is the one people usually mean, because they aren't elected. However, they can only propose laws, and are bound to enact the decisions of the European Parliament whether they agree with it or not. Basically, they're civil servants for the EU.

My only conclusion is that people are confusing "unelected" with "elected people who don't agree with me".

chillidoggy

But are the MEP's going to be supporting the vote leave campaign? Do turkeys vote for Christmas? No. So they'll be doing everything they can to stay riding in the First Class carriages of that particular gravy train, and therefore cannot be trusted.

digitalscream

chillidoggy said:

But are the MEP's going to be supporting the vote leave campaign? Do turkeys vote for Christmas? No. So they'll be doing everything they can to stay riding in the First Class carriages of that particular gravy train, and therefore cannot be trusted.

Why shouldn't we trust them? They clearly believe in the EU, otherwise they wouldn't be working to represent us in it.

If they voted leave...that is when we shouldn't be trusting them (or, at least, trusting their judgement).

UnclePsychosis

The only British MEPs using it as a "gravy train" are the UKIP ones like Farage who are happy to trouser hundreds of thousands in return for not turning up to meetings or engaging with the process.

It's little wonder people think that the EU doesnt respect the UK when we send them guys like him. He was a member of the fisheries committee and didn't attend a single meeting about it for two entire years. When taken to task about it in the parliament he just sat and laughed (there's a video somewhere).

digitalscream

UnclePsychosis said:

The only British MEPs using it as a "gravy train" are the UKIP ones like Farage who are happy to trouser hundreds of thousands in return for not turning up to meetings or engaging with the process.

It's little wonder people think that the EU doesnt respect the UK when we send them guys like him. He was a member of the fisheries committee and didn't attend a single meeting about it for two entire years. When taken to task about it in the parliament he just sat and laughed (there's a video somewhere).

UKIP have 24 MEPs, out of our total of 73. I do wonder how anybody's supposed to take us seriously when a third of the people we send to represent us to a significant portion of the developed world are openly xenophobic.

TTony

digitalscream said:

UnclePsychosis said:

The only British MEPs using it as a "gravy train" are the UKIP ones like Farage who are happy to trouser hundreds of thousands in return for not turning up to meetings or engaging with the process.

It's little wonder people think that the EU doesnt respect the UK when we send them guys like him. He was a member of the fisheries committee and didn't attend a single meeting about it for two entire years. When taken to task about it in the parliament he just sat and laughed (there's a video somewhere).

UKIP have 24 MEPs, out of our total of 73. I do wonder how anybody's supposed to take us seriously when a third of the people we send to represent us to a significant portion of the developed world are openly xenophobic.

I did smile to myself (and anyone else) when those election results came through.

My interpretation was that (a) UKIP was the popular protest (ie "none of the above") vote at a time when a lot of people seemed pretty pissed off with the mainstream parties and (b) there was probably quite a lot of support for their UK-out-of-Europe stance.

Wonderful though, the largest number of people that we elect to the EU parliament are from the party that says we shouldn't be there.

Drew_TNBD

digitalscream said:

UnclePsychosis said:

The only British MEPs using it as a "gravy train" are the UKIP ones like Farage who are happy to trouser hundreds of thousands in return for not turning up to meetings or engaging with the process.

It's little wonder people think that the EU doesnt respect the UK when we send them guys like him. He was a member of the fisheries committee and didn't attend a single meeting about it for two entire years. When taken to task about it in the parliament he just sat and laughed (there's a video somewhere).

UKIP have 24 MEPs, out of our total of 73. I do wonder how anybody's supposed to take us seriously when a third of the people we send to represent us to a significant portion of the developed world are openly xenophobic.

I don't think it's automatically xenophobic to want your country to be an independent. Which is the very cornerstone of UKIP.

Chalky

UnclePsychosis;1099946" said:

The only British MEPs using it as a "gravy train" are the UKIP ones like Farage who are happy to trouser hundreds of thousands in return for not turning up to meetings or engaging with the process.

It's little wonder people think that the EU doesnt respect the UK when we send them guys like him. He was a member of the fisheries committee and didn't attend a single meeting about it for two entire years. When taken to task about it in the parliament he just sat and laughed (there's a video somewhere).

I'm sure that's the reason. Personality clashes.

Nothing to do with the fundamental difference in the ideological belief of the future state of the EU. No.

You realise you are making your EU chums sound petty?