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  • RavenousRavenous Frets: 1148

    I'm hoping the "nuclear codes" are over 140 characters long.  We'd be OK then.

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  • JezWyndJezWynd Frets: 1705
    I'm not convinced the 'Trump is nobody's fool' argument has much merit. He started out, as he says himself, with a 'small' 1m loan from his father and has bullied and litigated himself out of a succession of scrapes ever since. There's a reason he won't release his tax affairs for public view - they would show just how fragile his house of cards really is.
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  • ChalkyChalky Frets: 4638
    JezWynd said:
    I'm not convinced the 'Trump is nobody's fool' argument has much merit. He started out, as he says himself, with a 'small' 1m loan from his father and has bullied and litigated himself out of a succession of scrapes ever since. There's a reason he won't release his tax affairs for public view - they would show just how fragile his house of cards really is.
    We are all capable of being fools. Is a fool capable of making a million dollars into a billion dollars? If yes, please demonstrate.
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  • DrJazzTapDrJazzTap Frets: 721
    edited January 12
    We were watching the news the other night and they had a MP for UKIP on. I immediately said "why the hell is he on? They aren't even one of the big three parties FFS".

    My girlfriend said "how do you think people like Trump got into power?? it's because we failed to acknowledge this issue, we laughed at it. UKIP have come on a long way, they aren't a Kilroy Silk led joke anymore, they have MPs" I did say well yeah so does the Green party, so why aren't they on the news instead? *********

    We couldn't understand why a handler hasn't taken over his twitter account, because Trump has clearly demonstrated the mentality of a five year old. He was in a spat the other day with Arnold Schwarzenegger, gloating about how he had better viewing figures for the Apprentice. I thought like everybody else...."aren't you supposed to be taking over as the President in less than twelve days?? Surely to god, you have more important things to be concentrating on?"

    In regards to Trump, it's soul destroying that we are losing somebody as articulate as Obama to have him replaced by a giant toddler. I couldn't care less what somebody does in the bedroom that's not the point.
     I know he's not going to be given free rein, it's just the manner as to how he's handled himself. I think that he ran to see if he would get elected, his ego ran away with him. Now shit got real and he didn't think he would actually get in. It was a giant publicity stunt/ego massage for him.

    *****I must stress that we do not support UKIP*****
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  • Personalities are not totally black and white. Nobody is a fool - and nobody is a genius. It's more the case that people have a mixture of foolishness - for some activities/types of task - and cleverness for other types of task. You may be able to argue that Trump has some skills in business and in cutting business deals (although the exact level of those skills is probably open to a good deal of debate)... but it's difficult to argue that he doesn't display a level of foolishness in some of his actions.

    In some situations, he appears to act like a spoiled child that's used to getting its own way. I think that can be a common trait among some (not all) business leaders... that are used to being surrounded by 'yes men'... and, hence, when they bang their fist on the table - they tend get their own way. However, even though a President may choose to surround themselves with 'yes men'... Presidents tend to be open to much more scrutiny than many businessmen. For anybody that's not used to having their instructions questioned... it can be difficult to cope with the media or with political opposition. Entertaining - but potentially dangerous - times.

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  • DrJazzTap said:

    *****I must stress that we do not support UKIP*****
    Even some people that vote UKIP... say that.
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  • JalapenoJalapeno Frets: 3065
    edited January 12
    Trump's business skills - he's been bankrupted 6 times I believe ........

    And he'd be richer if he'd just kept his Dad's inherited wealth on deposit - he's lost more money than gained .....
    Imagine something sharp and witty here ......

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  • ChalkyChalky Frets: 4638
    DrJazzTap said:

    We couldn't understand why a handler hasn't taken over his twitter account, because Trump has clearly demonstrated the mentality of a five year old. He was in a spat the other day with Arnold Schwarzenegger, gloating about how he had better viewing figures for the Apprentice. I thought like everybody else...."aren't you supposed to be taking over as the President in less than twelve days??

    I think that he ran to see if he would get elected, his ego ran away with him. Now shit got real and he didn't think he would actually get in. It was a giant publicity stunt/ego massage for him.

    *****I must stress that we do not support UKIP*****
    Even Presidents don't always work. Dubya and Reagan didn't put excessive hours in like Carter did. Neither has Obama. And Eisenhower famously and evidently slept or golfed mostly throughout his Presidency.  So Trump is not breaking the mould on this one.

    Trump said many times early on that he wanted to be President and that he knew what he had to do to become President - just win more votes than the other guy. He has stuck to that. He knew he would get in.

    You are right that this means he has not given much thought to policy (maybe even none in many areas). So it all hinges on those he picks to run the show.

    The lady doth protest too much about UKIP :)




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  • DrJazzTap said:
    UKIP have come on a long way, they aren't a Kilroy Silk led joke anymore, they have MPs"
    Last time I looked... they didn't have 'MPs'.... just the one MP.
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  • DrJazzTapDrJazzTap Frets: 721
    DrJazzTap said:
    UKIP have come on a long way, they aren't a Kilroy Silk led joke anymore, they have MPs"
    Last time I looked... they didn't have 'MPs'.... just the one MP.
    Sorry she said an mp and meps 
    I would love to change my username, but I fully understand the T&C's (it was an old band nickname). So please feel free to call me Dave.
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  • bingefellerbingefeller Frets: 5103
    JezWynd said:
    I'm not convinced the 'Trump is nobody's fool' argument has much merit. He started out, as he says himself, with a 'small' 1m loan from his father and has bullied and litigated himself out of a succession of scrapes ever since. There's a reason he won't release his tax affairs for public view - they would show just how fragile his house of cards really is.

    it takes a wise man to play the fool.
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  • DrJazzTap said:
    DrJazzTap said:
    UKIP have come on a long way, they aren't a Kilroy Silk led joke anymore, they have MPs"
    Last time I looked... they didn't have 'MPs'.... just the one MP.
    Sorry she said an mp and meps 

    LOL... just checking you weren't bigging them up too much. :-)
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  • axisusaxisus Frets: 8646
    Chalky said:
    Trump said many times early on that he wanted to be President and that he knew what he had to do to become President - just win more votes than the other guy. 

    He didn't even have to do that in the end!
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  • TheBlueWolfTheBlueWolf Frets: 1444
    Trump is a weapons grade cock womble.
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  • PolarityManPolarityMan Frets: 4013
    Chalky said:
    JezWynd said:
    I'm not convinced the 'Trump is nobody's fool' argument has much merit. He started out, as he says himself, with a 'small' 1m loan from his father and has bullied and litigated himself out of a succession of scrapes ever since. There's a reason he won't release his tax affairs for public view - they would show just how fragile his house of cards really is.
    We are all capable of being fools. Is a fool capable of making a million dollars into a billion dollars? If yes, please demonstrate.
    Sure paypal gift me $1m and Ill sort it out for you.
    This is my rant thread, there are others like it, but this one is mine.
    Bet you're wondering if this is a flounce? Truth is I haven't decided yet.
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  • ChalkyChalky Frets: 4638
    A Trump BBC article. Why is it in the Entertainment and Arts section? :)


    Was Buzzfeed right on Donald Trump dossier? - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-38600531
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  • Emp_FabEmp_Fab Frets: 11257
    Because that what he is - entertainment.  We ain't seen nothin' yet.  This spiv is going to try to shit all over so many rules, laws, institutions and protocols to try to get what he wants.  He's probably has no idea of what hurdles lie in wait.  He certainly has no understanding of the concept of ethics.

    Roll up, roll up......grab a family sized bucket of popcorn - this moron's presidency is going to be the Greatest Show on Earth...

    Entertaining it most certainly will be.  Presuming it also doesn't result in WW3.
    Question everything - with the exception of the Earth being a spheroid and the moon landings.
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  • octatonicoctatonic Frets: 16243
    Emp_Fab said:
    Because that what he is - entertainment.  We ain't seen nothin' yet.  This spiv is going to try to shit all over so many rules, laws, institutions and protocols to try to get what he wants.  He's probably has no idea of what hurdles lie in wait.  He certainly has no understanding of the concept of ethics.

    Roll up, roll up......grab a family sized bucket of popcorn - this moron's presidency is going to be the Greatest Show on Earth...

    Entertaining it most certainly will be.  Presuming it also doesn't result in WW3.
    Bring the chaos! I want to see how fucked up things can get. :)
    I am the juice of four limes.
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  • Emp_FabEmp_Fab Frets: 11257
    He's going to treat it as some great business opportunity to expand his own personal empire.  He doesn't give a fuck about anyone but himself.  Becoming president is just a promotion for him.  That's why he's trying to maintain control over his business interests and trying to get away with handing control over to his sons rather than putting them into a blind trust.  Constitutional lawyers are up in arms about it but he'll give up the presidency before he lets his business interests out of the grasp of his tiny, urine soaked hands.

    It's testament to the appalling state of the US education system that it can churn out so many millions of unthinking idiots that ultimately go on to vote for a gold-plated dipshit with a big mouth and an abysmal vocabulary.
    Question everything - with the exception of the Earth being a spheroid and the moon landings.
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  • Emp_Fab said:
    He's going to treat it as some great business opportunity to expand his own personal empire.  He doesn't give a fuck about anyone but himself.  Becoming president is just a promotion for him.  That's why he's trying to maintain control over his business interests and trying to get away with handing control over to his sons rather than putting them into a blind trust.  Constitutional lawyers are up in arms about it but he'll give up the presidency before he lets his business interests out of the grasp of his tiny, urine soaked hands.

    It's testament to the appalling state of the US education system that it can churn out so many millions of unthinking idiots that ultimately go on to vote for a gold-plated dipshit with a big mouth and an abysmal vocabulary.
    You've watched Duck Dynasty and similar "reality" shows I take it? No fucking surprise whatsoever!
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  • ClarkyClarky Frets: 2414
    funny really.. looking back..
    when I found out Trump was running for President I laughed..
    the sort of "you got to be kidding, he's got no chance" sort of laugh

    and the same with "never in a million years will be leaving the EU"

    and here we are..
    I can't say that I'm not worried about the future..
    I think it's the uncertainty that lay ahead..
    the world is about to become a bit of a different place, and I totally understand why..
    but to me it feels like a bit of a leap of faith
    I guess the real shame is how abuses of the guys at the top in business and governments that brought us to this point
    so personally, although I'm a little fearful of Brexit, Trump and what else may follow, there is a little place in me that is happy to see the little folk sticking to them.. even though I wasn't one of them doing the sticking..
    play every note as if it were your first
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  • NiteflyNitefly Frets: 1616
    You know what?  I'd like to see what odds I might get backing him to get a second term - might be worth a tenner?  :o
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  • SamgbSamgb Frets: 615

    Absolutely. The media is a farce. 

    That said, the bullingdon society is the ultimate insult to working people. That people from that sort of background can come to run a country is a joke. 

    Aren't they working people though? Boris and Osborne still have jobs and DC earns a pretty penny through lectures right now... 

    I don't like the way it's portrayed as 'toffs suck, the working classes are great'. I work in a working class environment (a chain pub). I've been there since August and put up with reams of small minded bullshit, everything from homophobia to racism to flat-out moronic acts of vandalism and violence. Having folk like that in charge of the country would be an even worse joke.


    Yeah but the point is that 64,500,000 of the country are not Bullington types and yet they continue to stack the deck to keep the power and wealth among their own and people allow it to happen. Democracy should mean that doesn't happen right?
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  • Chalky said:
    A Trump BBC article. Why is it in the Entertainment and Arts section? :)


    Was Buzzfeed right on Donald Trump dossier? - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-38600531
    It's more of a mystery what Chalky was doing in the BBC section. One more complaint about Auntie and its content and you'll turn into Mary Whitehouse :D
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  • Emp_FabEmp_Fab Frets: 11257
    You've watched Duck Dynasty and similar "reality" shows I take it? No fucking surprise whatsoever!
    Genuinely no idea what that is.  I can't stand 'reality' shows.  Actually, I don't really watch much telly at all tbh !
    Question everything - with the exception of the Earth being a spheroid and the moon landings.
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  • ChalkyChalky Frets: 4638
    Chalky said:
    A Trump BBC article. Why is it in the Entertainment and Arts section? :)


    Was Buzzfeed right on Donald Trump dossier? - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-38600531
    It's more of a mystery what Chalky was doing in the BBC section. One more complaint about Auntie and its content and you'll turn into Mary Whitehouse :D
    Know thine enemy? ;)
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  • Nitefly said:
    You know what?  I'd like to see what odds I might get backing him to get a second term - might be worth a tenner?  :o
    2020 Presidential Election Odds (via SkyBet)

    Donald Trump – 7/4

    Mike Pence – 8/1

    Tim Kaine – 12/1

    Elizabeth Warren – 12/1

    Hillary Clinton – 14/1

    Andre Cuomo – 18/1

    Cory Booker – 18/1

    Michelle Obama 20/1

    Michael Bloomberg – 25/1

    Joe Biden – 28/1

    Julian Castro 33/1

    The above were from Wednesday. 
    Interestingly the odds of impeachment/leaving office before the end of his term are 11/10!
    https://sports.ladbrokes.com/en-gb/betting/politics/american/specials/donald-trump-specials/222881036/


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  • PolarityManPolarityMan Frets: 4013
    Nitefly said:
    You know what?  I'd like to see what odds I might get backing him to get a second term - might be worth a tenner?  :o

    Interestingly the odds of impeachment/leaving office before the end of his term are 11/10!
    https://sports.ladbrokes.com/en-gb/betting/politics/american/specials/donald-trump-specials/222881036/


    Yeah I think various establishment people are shitting themselves ..have you seen the amount of last ditch mud slinging going on in the hopes that something impeachable will stick and he won't be able to take office.

    Question though, what happens if impeachment goes through? Does the VP become president?

    Reason I ask is the BBC last night were saying an impeachment is unlikely to succeed as the Republicans control both the senate and congress...but if they want Pence in doesnt this actually increase the odds?
    This is my rant thread, there are others like it, but this one is mine.
    Bet you're wondering if this is a flounce? Truth is I haven't decided yet.
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  • Nitefly said:
    You know what?  I'd like to see what odds I might get backing him to get a second term - might be worth a tenner?  :o

    Interestingly the odds of impeachment/leaving office before the end of his term are 11/10!
    https://sports.ladbrokes.com/en-gb/betting/politics/american/specials/donald-trump-specials/222881036/


    Yeah I think various establishment people are shitting themselves ..have you seen the amount of last ditch mud slinging going on in the hopes that something impeachable will stick and he won't be able to take office.

    Question though, what happens if impeachment goes through? Does the VP become president?

    Reason I ask is the BBC last night were saying an impeachment is unlikely to succeed as the Republicans control both the senate and congress...but if they want Pence in doesnt this actually increase the odds?
    It MIGHT not remove Trump from office, but if it did I think Pence would become President... Isn't that what happened in the case of Nixon? (*Edit: he resigned when impeachment became all but inevitable).

    More info here:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment#United_States

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