Obama, a great man

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axisusaxisus Frets: 8315
.... who was denied the chance to be a great president. Just my opinion of course.

I think that he had great gravitas and personal dignity, and seemed to be an intelligent man with his heart in the right place. Unfortunately the American system worked against him and left him in a hollow administration due to republican led congress.

Personally I think that he was head and shoulders ahead of all the presidents of my lifetime, and in Michelle Obama he had a fantastic first lady, someone with incredible personal input. Too bad America blew the chance to make something great of the past 8 years.
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  • dindudedindude Frets: 4489
    The man reeks of integrity and this is becoming a somewhat underrated personal value in high level leadership.

    Although he didn't achieve all that he set out to do, I think the goal-posts have somewhat moved for what someone can achieve in office. Not having a terror atrocity on the scale of 9/11 and not letting the economy tank to new lows during your watch will probably been seen as a good record for a president from this point in.
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  • TeetonetalTeetonetal Frets: 4494
    Couldn't agree more. More or less hamstrung for 8 years. Still got a few good things through though. 

    I guess that America didnt like the statesman approach enough though :( 

    Trump appears to be as insipid as it gets.
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  • GrunfeldGrunfeld Frets: 2054
    @axisus ; -- nicely put. 
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  • octatonicoctatonic Frets: 16239
    I am going to miss the Obamas.
    Barack is an incredible orator- probably the best of modern times.
    Michelle's role cannot be forgotten either.
    Pure class.
    I am the juice of four limes.
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  • BloodEagleBloodEagle Frets: 2503
    He's probably the only US President I can genuinelly say I have admired in my lifetime - he's a class act in my opinion, and I cannot even imagine the differences we will see between his and Trumps terms in office.
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  • mgawmgaw Frets: 2156
    no
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  • ChalkyChalky Frets: 4500
    As President he is supposed to work with the Senate and Congress to get legislation passed. Instead, he relied on Executive Orders.

    If our Prime Minister tried to use emergency powers to push legislation through without giving parliament a say, would you say that is OK?

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  • Moe_ZambeekMoe_Zambeek Frets: 1856
    I think he's been largely ineffectual for 8 years as a president. Lovely talker, seems like a decent human, his wife made good use of her platform, but in political terms it's been style over substance, I feel. 

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  • BRISTOL86BRISTOL86 Frets: 555
    He's probably the only US President I can genuinelly say I have admired in my lifetime - he's a class act in my opinion, and I cannot even imagine the differences we will see between his and Trumps terms in office.
    +1
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  • 8 years of people questioning everything about him. And rarely in a way that could be considered anything but downright abusive, towards him and his family and he took it all in his stride, often with great humour. In the most high profile and no doubt stressful job on the planet. And he came across as considered, intelligent, statesmanlike and even, dare I say, cool.

    Donald, on the other hand...
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  • His legacy is Donald... does not sound so great does it. 
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  • RandallFlaggRandallFlagg Frets: 3620
    Ronnie was your man.
    "King for a day, fool for a lifetime”
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  • axisusaxisus Frets: 8315
    Chalky said:
    As President he is supposed to work with the Senate and Congress to get legislation passed. Instead, he relied on Executive Orders.

    If our Prime Minister tried to use emergency powers to push legislation through without giving parliament a say, would you say that is OK?

    The point is the fact that the Republican-led congress went out of its way to obstruct him all through his presidency, they were not wanting to help with anything, even if it was on their own agenda. 
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  • Winny_PoohWinny_Pooh Frets: 1828
    For some balance


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  • richardhomerrichardhomer Frets: 15533
    Intelligent, articulate, definitely seems thoroughly decent. Agree entirely with @axisus. There are few politicians who've impressed me as much as him in my lifetime - we need more like him....
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  • Chalky said:
    As President he is supposed to work with the Senate and Congress to get legislation passed. Instead, he relied on Executive Orders.

    If our Prime Minister tried to use emergency powers to push legislation through without giving parliament a say, would you say that is OK?


    And what do you do as President when huge segments of the Senate and Congress don't want to do anything for you at all? Pointless comparing Senate/Congress to Parliament. Their system makes ours look efficient! 

    It's worth reminding people what some of those Executive Orders were that Trump and co want to scrap. Over 30 were about climate change. Over 20 were about gun control. Order 13588 was about reducing shortages of prescription drugs. 

    So is Obama the evil scumbucket for using Executive Orders on some gun control issues or should we be kicking the Senate and Congress for not wanting tighter gun regulation? 
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  • randellarandella Frets: 973
    "Gravitas" is a key word here. Something both the Obamas have in spades, and something sorely lacking from our lot. May, Corbyn, Farron, not exactly swimming in it, are they?
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  • DrJazzTapDrJazzTap Frets: 720
    I believe in the bill hicks thing. When you're elected president you're led into a room and six shady figures emerge and those are the people who actually run the country. you're just a puppet.

    Obama is a gifted speaker who was like a breathe of fresh air compared to dubya. 
    With the crazy hairpiece destined take over shortly it's alarming times. Obama wasn't loved by everyone in the states though. Even the mention of just changing or looking into gun laws pissed off a lot of people (sadly) 
    I would love to change my username, but I fully understand the T&C's (it was an old band nickname). So please feel free to call me Dave.
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  • FretwiredFretwired Frets: 11976
    DrJazzTap said:
    I believe in the bill hicks thing. When you're elected president you're led into a room and six shady figures emerge and those are the people who actually run the country. you're just a puppet.

    Obama is a gifted speaker who was like a breathe of fresh air compared to dubya. 
    With the crazy hairpiece destined take over shortly it's alarming times. Obama wasn't loved by everyone in the states though. Even the mention of just changing or looking into gun laws pissed off a lot of people (sadly) 
    The US system is designed so that one man can't call all the shots and have too much power. This system works well and will ensure that Trump makes headlines for the wrong reasons but won't have too much power so the US will function as normal and the world won't be destroyed in a Trump driven nuclear war.

    Every now and again someone comes along who could make a difference but they are stymied - that's Obama. He could have made a real difference to the USA but stood no chance. A shame he wasn't British. Just think what he could have achieved on this side of the pond.
    My pump-action drivel gun is smoking hot today!
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  • Fretwired said:

    Every now and again someone comes along who could make a difference but they are stymied - that's Obama. He could have made a real difference to the USA but stood no chance. A shame he wasn't British. Just think what he could have achieved on this side of the pond.
    Alas, we got David Cameron.
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  • FretwiredFretwired Frets: 11976
    edited January 11
    Fretwired said:

    Every now and again someone comes along who could make a difference but they are stymied - that's Obama. He could have made a real difference to the USA but stood no chance. A shame he wasn't British. Just think what he could have achieved on this side of the pond.
    Alas, we got David Cameron.
    Yep. We needed an Obama and we got a twat from Eton. Obama could have avoided the Brexit bollocks and got the EU to look in the mirror and see that a change in direction could be positive. I think I'm right in thinking his father was British - maybe the Queen could knight him and invite him over to the UK to replace May.
    My pump-action drivel gun is smoking hot today!
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  • mellowsunmellowsun Frets: 2099
    The sad fact is that people vote against their interests and to make themselves poorer.  We've seen that with the Brexit referendum and now the US election.

    For example, a large chunk of America for unfathomable reasons do not want affordable universal healthcare.
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  • Fretwired said:
    Fretwired said:

    Every now and again someone comes along who could make a difference but they are stymied - that's Obama. He could have made a real difference to the USA but stood no chance. A shame he wasn't British. Just think what he could have achieved on this side of the pond.
    Alas, we got David Cameron.
    Yep. We needed an Obama and we got a twat from Eton. Obama could have avoided the Brexit bollocks and got the EU to look in the mirror and see that a change in direction could be positive. I think I'm right in thinking his father was British - maybe the Queen could knight him and invite him over to the UK to replace May.
    His Father was Kenyan I believe, doesn't necessarily preclude British citizenship (see Chris Froome). Would rather depend on other circumstances though.

    Barack replacing May would be cool as fuck though :)
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  • RaymondLinRaymondLin Frets: 3236
    When I watch Obama, I see a wise man with integrity and honour with good intentions.

    When I watch Trump, I see a liar whose pants are on fire.  Tremendous amount of fire, bigly.
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  • FretwiredFretwired Frets: 11976
    edited January 11
    Fretwired said:
    Fretwired said:

    Every now and again someone comes along who could make a difference but they are stymied - that's Obama. He could have made a real difference to the USA but stood no chance. A shame he wasn't British. Just think what he could have achieved on this side of the pond.
    Alas, we got David Cameron.
    Yep. We needed an Obama and we got a twat from Eton. Obama could have avoided the Brexit bollocks and got the EU to look in the mirror and see that a change in direction could be positive. I think I'm right in thinking his father was British - maybe the Queen could knight him and invite him over to the UK to replace May.
    His Father was Kenyan I believe, doesn't necessarily preclude British citizenship (see Chris Froome). Would rather depend on other circumstances though.

    Barack replacing May would be cool as fuck though
    He was born when the British Empire still existed so he was technically a British subject, although I think he remained or returned to Kenya after independence and became a Kenyan.
    My pump-action drivel gun is smoking hot today!
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  • Fretwired said:
    Fretwired said:
    Fretwired said:

    Every now and again someone comes along who could make a difference but they are stymied - that's Obama. He could have made a real difference to the USA but stood no chance. A shame he wasn't British. Just think what he could have achieved on this side of the pond.
    Alas, we got David Cameron.
    Yep. We needed an Obama and we got a twat from Eton. Obama could have avoided the Brexit bollocks and got the EU to look in the mirror and see that a change in direction could be positive. I think I'm right in thinking his father was British - maybe the Queen could knight him and invite him over to the UK to replace May.
    His Father was Kenyan I believe, doesn't necessarily preclude British citizenship (see Chris Froome). Would rather depend on other circumstances though.

    Barack replacing May would be cool as fuck though
    He was born when the British Empire still existed so he was technically a British subject, although I think he remained or returned to Kenya after independence and became a Kenyan.
    In that case it depends on a) when he was born, and b) when Kenya gained independence, all relative to the British Nationality Act 1948, and subsequent amendment (81). Theoretically though...
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  • ICBMICBM Frets: 25710
    Not another birth certificate argument, please... Trump has only just admitted he was wrong in the first one!
    "Take these three items, some WD-40, a vise grip, and a roll of duct tape. Any man worth his salt can fix almost any problem with this stuff alone."
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  • ClarkyClarky Frets: 2287
    edited January 12
    octatonic said:
    I am going to miss the Obamas.
    Barack is an incredible orator- probably the best of modern times.
    Michelle's role cannot be forgotten either.
    Pure class.
    totally agree.. an amazing orator..
    funnily enough, this evening I was talking to wife and we concluded that Michelle is oozing class of the most natural kind
    the sort of class that no amount of money and walk into an expensive clothes shop and buy
    she just has it..

    was he a great president??
    not so sure.. good bits and bad bits…
    he could come across as being a bit fake at times..

    when he walks away, the people I really feel for are the Americans themselves..
    in a two way contest between Clinton and Trump there was never anyone credible to vote for..
    both are equally scary
    play every note as if it were your first
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  • DrJazzTapDrJazzTap Frets: 720
    I would love to be a fly on the wall when Trump meets May. I bet that'll be awkward. 
    I would love to change my username, but I fully understand the T&C's (it was an old band nickname). So please feel free to call me Dave.
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  • p90foolp90fool Frets: 5219
    Obama has his critics, and so does the system which prevented him being a great president by getting his own way.

    We now have cause to thank that system though, it'll rein in Trump's worst excesses.

    You can't have it both ways unfortunately.
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