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This is a danger with surface-less mixers .... thank god the gains are analog otherwise we really would have been fecked
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Looking at the features I'm tempted by the Behringer X18, compared to the mackie it is has built in wifi connection and multitrack recording. The XR18 could go in a rack and has more xlr outs but rather than live in the amp rack I can use the desk format with multiple bands and I can live with jack sends to monitors and iems so the X18 might work better. The sound craft ui16 only has 12inputs and there will be times that I want a couple more.
I'm a bit wary of buying behringer so long term use reports would much appreciated.
or is there another product with iPad control, 16 inputs and easy multitrack recording?
The Allen and Heath QU-SB has
- Qu-Pad iPad App for all live mixing controls
- 16 Mono Inputs (TRS + XLR)
- 1 Stereo Input (TRS)
- 12 on-board Mix Outputs
- 1 Stereo Matrix Out
- Expandable up to 32 Mono + 3 Stereo channels
- Up to 11 Monitor Mixes (4 mono + 7 stereo)
- Qu-Drive direct Multitrack Recording to USB
- 19” Rack mount option
Bit more money than the Behringer thoughPS : a built in router isn't always good as your better off getting the router above the crowd when mixing with an iPad ... I normally put mine on the FOH stack.
Post taken about the built in wifi, I assume if connection is lost it just tries to reconnect in the background and the audio continues but I figure I could add an external router fairly cheaply if they make a noticeable difference.
I've used Behringers X32 and that seems fine but never used an X18 ..... I'm recommending the QU stuff because I've used it since it was first released a few years ago and it's been rock solid. It wouldn't be the end of the world though if you brought the X18 and didn't like it, you could always flog it on without losing a lot
One issue to bear in mind is the AH doesn't directly support Android App and the 3rd party one isn't as full featured as the iPad app (can't access the iLive fx modules like reverb for example).
The Behringer XR18 has fully supported Android and iPad apps and can also be controlled via laptop. Also has built-in wifi but I think that if you really want to roam around the room and get a good distance away people seem to be connecting stronger wifi gear. Not an issue if it's a band that just wants to largely set and forget.
The XR18 looks amazing value for money - I just preferred the full rack unit width of the QU-SB. The XR18 has 3 year warranty and the AH only has 1yr (I bought thru Thomann so hope they are good for their 3yr promise if I need it)
The AH does have a footswitch input which I think was clever, you can assign two switches to any parameter - mute all would be a good idea and maybe the second on a mic you're worried about going into feedback. It gives the band back some immediate physical control.
One thing I like about these types of mixers is there is more flexibility in locating it on stage for say a typical 4 piece pub band. You can find a spot that minimises/clean-up cable runs and as you don't need to fiddle with it so it can be down on the floor. Neither the AH or XR18 has locking input connectors (output are locking) which I don't understand at all? The whole point is these go out of sight but you can still pull cable by accident on a stage and not notice as fast as with a traditional desk
I think they are the future for simple mixing tasks as the display tech of tablets is just going to get better.
The AH has the full core of the QU 32 by the way. Amazing and shows how much money is saved by stripping away the control surface.
The AR18 includes rack mount ears, for the AH they cost a good bit extra
If you want to dip your foot into the water, buy the XR18 is my advice. Behringer have really turned things around lately (the Midas buyout etc. really showed their intent). A that price, and say you only get 3-4 years out of it costs you half a gig fee a year. The control it gives is amazing. Stuff like shelf filtering, para EQ, high end fx modules would have cost 10 times as much 20 years ago in real terms. Just make sure you have a cheapo 8 track analogue mixer as backup if it completely goes pear shaped - but people forget that you really need that even with a traditional analogue mixers which can also fry a power supply, etc. at the wrong time.
I noticed AH dropped the price of theirs recently (£1,050 down to £850) and bet it's because the XR18 is killing them a bit.
My reading of the current crop of mixers is the QU SB has the easy Multi-track recording integrated better if it's important to you.
I wish the QU-SB had that to be honest.
I guess AH don't want the 'cheap' QU range having features veering into their core iLive product range?
If there was still £400 in it I would have bought the XR18.
Im looking to get my palm mutes nice and chunky again. Tried dialling back the treble / presence and upping the bass but still felt a little thin.
I could totally live with it but figured others might have more experience in how to best acheive a good IEM (and by extension FOH) sound.
I guess you can do faders and basic EQ which would be enough to get you out of a bind if the wifi wouldn't co-operate at a gig.