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USA 2016 and mass unemployment and disillusionment in white working class areas of middle America was boiling over; they felt forgotten by the liberals and politicians in Washington; along comes Trump who'd obviously decided to follow Hitler in blaming liberals, Mexican's the Chinese, tree huggers, the climate change lobby and everyone else he could think of for their woes. This is why he won't denounce the people in Charlottesville now. This plays into his hands ...
And those with Nazi ideals have always existed in the US - there's now a lot more of them. You'll also find them in Russia and Eastern Europe and and Germany again. What goes round comes round.
Remember, it's easier to criticise than create!
Y'all seem to forget that these dudes were once the dominant force in the South, lynching and enslaving with impunity. But now they are marginalised we should have an open mind to them?
Seriously what planet are you on?
If you don't want lynching and slavery to start up again then you need to understand what's motivating these people. It is quite possible that at its core is a reasonable concern (see Fretwired's post for examples) that - through constant marginalisation and belittlement - has turned to extremism. You can't fix the extremism without dealing with what leads to it, and that's not saying that extremism is OK.
This is the pragmatic approach to solving the problem, rather than the hysterical, emotional and fundamentally ineffective approach you're suggesting.
But we've sat down and listened to Nazis in the past. It doesn't work. Once a group is at the point of carrying weapons, making Nazi salutes, and talking about 'many more will die before we are done', they need to be shut down.
At the same time, the left need to stop inflaming the situation. Meeting provocation with violence plays into the hands of the right and legitimises them - that I agree with. At the same time, it's understandable, because they have seen such marches go unopposed, out of fear, so often in the past.
So the state need to step in and not leave this to get out of hand further.
I'm all for understanding and listening to people's sense of alienation and powerlessness. But they've gone way beyond that, and now, with Trump at the helm, they see this as 'their time'.
Remember, it's easier to criticise than create!
The KKK and Stormfront are closed-minded and self-righteous. If they weren't then they would not be a problem.
Why, you might ask, should we listen to them when they won't listen to us?
Why, I would reply, should they listen to us if we won't listen to them?
One side has to be better than that to make a difference. From what I've read and what I know of humanity, neither side seems likely to.
I completely agree that the cause of disenfranchisement and lost hope needs to be addressed. That does not contradict shutting down hate speech that celebrates and encourages genocide.
Enough misinterpretation on both sides!
Remember, it's easier to criticise than create!
I didn't know Paul Watson played guitar in a shit band.
It's like the forum is mirroring the thing we're discussing!
Fair enough.
I am not suggesting appeasement of extremists - as you say, that's not historically been a terribly successful approach, but understanding is the key to solving the problem. Northern Ireland turned around because of discussion...