Fender amps why the love??

octatonic · September 2017

professorben said:

octatonic said:

Clean: Mesa
Dirty: Marshall.
Filthy: Mesa

Ftfy

Nope.
Mesa is for kids.

professorben · September 2017

octatonic said:

professorben said:

octatonic said:

Clean: Mesa
Dirty: Marshall.
Filthy: Mesa

Ftfy

Nope.
Mesa is for kids.

The Kids Are Alright......... with that.

guitarfishbay · September 2017

professorben said:

Modulus_Amps said:

professorben said:
Now its all Scar Symmetry and Meshuggah, Periphery and The Haunted.

Well thats the issue right there, if you walked into a guitar shop and said I am into those bands and they tried to sell you a Fender leave the shop fast. Vintage voiced fenders don't have the high mids for this sort of sound never mind the drive or power supply to hold it together at volume

Right, I know my tones at least the type I like, but are there no modern fenders?
Or are they all tweedy voiced things?

Fender make the EVH amps. They're branded EVH because of the artist tie in though, but in principle they are Fenders

professorben · September 2017

guitarfishbay said:

professorben said:

Modulus_Amps said:

professorben said:
Now its all Scar Symmetry and Meshuggah, Periphery and The Haunted.

Well thats the issue right there, if you walked into a guitar shop and said I am into those bands and they tried to sell you a Fender leave the shop fast. Vintage voiced fenders don't have the high mids for this sort of sound never mind the drive or power supply to hold it together at volume

Right, I know my tones at least the type I like, but are there no modern fenders?
Or are they all tweedy voiced things?

Fender make the EVH amps. They're branded EVH because of the artist tie in though, but in principle they are Fenders

Haaaaaaa bloody good point.

robinbowes · September 2017

This thread makes about as much sense as this:

Bananas why all the love??
I'm obviously in the minority around there parts, in that I can't stand B type fruit.
I've only tried a couple but the mushy, mealy texture turns my stomach.
It's plain that others get on very well with them but I don't see it.
Chiquita
Dole
Del Monte
Turbana
Fyffes
Them ones I've tried
How are you guys getting good tastes from them??

In subsequent replies, you will go on to describe how much better apples are.

Bucket · September 2017

professorben said:
Right, I know my tones at least the type I like, but are there no modern fenders?
Or are they all tweedy voiced things?

If Fender made a modern metal amp under their own name, no-one would buy it.

That isn't what people go to Fender for. They're not all "tweed-voiced", the Blackface and Silverface stuff sounds demonstrably different to the earlier tweed-style circuit but is still a clean, single-channel amp.

The closest thing they have to a modern-sounding amp is stuff like the Supersonic and the Hot Rod Deluxe, but those aren't universally loved. Even then, their gain stages are in classic rock territory more than full-on metal. Effectively, if you buy a Fender amp for its potential for high gain, you're doing it wrong. I have a Deluxe Reverb, which provides me with a wonderful clean sound to which I add pedals whenever I need gain. They're some of the best amps you'll find for that kind of approach.

I believe this album, on which I have always thought the guitars sounded fantastic, was done entirely on a Les Paul into a dimed Silverface Twin. A properly nasty, biting, snarling tone which pretty much grabbed me by the balls when I first heard it.

TTBZ · September 2017

^forgot about the Sex Pistols album. I love that tone. I think maybe I do like Fender tone, but only when it's having the bollocks driven off it. It has that ragged and raw quality where it feels like it could collapse at any minute. Still prefer a Marshall for rock and metal though.

It's just clean tones in general I don't get I suppose, mostly because I don't know what I'd play with a squeaky clean tone. As someone who never plays completely clean it never made sense for me to have a clean pedal platform amp.

timmysoft · September 2017

Supersonic 100 through Mesa recto 412s. One of the best live tones I ever heard.

imalrightjack · September 2017

JezWynd said:

I see you as a Super-Sonic guy.

Beige could be your colour.

Have you passed comment on the Super Sonic? They're maybe not capable of Mesa brutality but I love the sound.

Shame they suffer from broken reverb issues. Led me to the Dark Side of Kemper, which seems a good home for you, perhaps?

exocet · September 2017

TTBZ said:

^forgot about the Sex Pistols album. I love that tone. I think maybe I do like Fender tone, but only when it's having the bollocks driven off it. It has that ragged and raw quality where it feels like it could collapse at any minute. Still prefer a Marshall for rock and metal though.

It's just clean tones in general I don't get I suppose, mostly because I don't know what I'd play with a squeaky clean tone. As someone who never plays completely clean it never made sense for me to have a clean pedal platform amp.

I moved from Marshall Plexi era to Fender style amps 10 years ago. I did this because my tastes changed, I wanted better clean sounds than dirty. That said, I did get frustrated at the sort of driven sounds that I got when I needed them, even when using pedals. Over time you learn to choose pedals that work with Fender EQ curve and adapt your playing style. The sound of a cranked Fender can be immense, my take on that is that when cranked, the amp can no longer deliver the high end (ice pick) frequencies because it has no more headroom to do it. Then you can end up with Sex Pistols "God Save The Queen" tone - for years I thought that that was Marshall!

matone · September 2017

professorben said:

See this might be the issue, I've never tried one at 'loud' settings.

Ah,well you wouldn`t `get it ` then......

ICBM · September 2017

guitarfishbay said:

Fender make the EVH amps. They're branded EVH because of the artist tie in though, but in principle they are Peaveys

FTFY

Just worked on one last week. The circuit is nothing like any Fender amp really - it owes much more to the Peavey 5150. It also has a completely stupid volume balance between the first two channels, although it can be much improved by adding two resistors…

Bucket said:

I believe this album, on which I have always thought the guitars sounded fantastic, was done entirely on a Les Paul into a dimed Silverface Twin. A properly nasty, biting, snarling tone which pretty much grabbed me by the balls when I first heard it.

[Sex Pistols - Never Mind The Bollocks]

I think there may also have been an MXR Distortion+ involved…

Either way, you won't get that sort of sound out of a Twin without cranking it absolutely full up, and it's difficult to find anywhere you can get away with that sort of volume these days! They also tend to blow the speakers if you do.

guitarfishbay · September 2017

ICBM said:

guitarfishbay said:

Fender make the EVH amps. They're branded EVH because of the artist tie in though, but in principle they are Peaveys

FTFY

Just worked on one last week. The circuit is nothing like any Fender amp really - it owes much more to the Peavey 5150. It also has a completely stupid volume balance between the first two channels, although it can be much improved by adding two resistors…

Ah the 50 watt.

The 100 watt has separate controls per channel. It's also huge.

Gassage · September 2017

Here you go; 3 Fender Twin Reverb heads:

ICBM · September 2017

guitarfishbay said:

Ah the 50 watt.

The 100 watt has separate controls per channel. It's also huge.

I've never seen the 100W. I know these amps are meant for pro stage volume use at which point the power stage compresses quite a lot which may help, and that Van Halen never actually uses a clean sound anyway, but the jump between channel 1 and channel 2 is ludicrous - it's got to be something like 20dB if you have the clean channel set so it barely breaks up - essentially unusable.

I'm really surprised Fender should have put out something so compromised, especially as it's possible to fix it to an acceptable extent - although not completely, if you want a strictly clean channel - so simply.

Gassage · September 2017

Let's just list, in chronologicalish order of early guitat playing what people generally regard as the definitive amps of all time:

Deluxe
Champ
LP Twin
HP Twin
Bassman
Super
Vibroverb
VOX AC30
Marshall Plexi
Magnatone
Vibrolux
Princeton
Twin R
Deluxe R
Super R
Hiwatt
SF TR etc etc

Do I really need to go on?

ICBM · September 2017

It's also worth mentioning - totally separate from anything to do with the sound - that Fender amps are generally well-made, reliable and not particularly expensive for their power rating and features, which goes a long way for pro and working musicians. There are a few exceptions, but I can't think of any Fender amps which are on the 'problem list' offhand - even the Blues Junior isn't too bad really, and it's probably the worst of the current range. Although I still struggle to understand the popularity and pricing of it...

Dopesick · September 2017

Yeah, metal and Fender amps do not belong. There isn't the grit or the muscle for a ballsy tone. As has been stated before though for heaveny cleans they're almost unbeatable.

However the band God Damn are very loud and heavy at times and they use a few Fender combos on stage. It's incredibly noisy and very nice. Some fuzz pedals fit like a glove with a Fender...some do not.

menamestom · September 2017

Another thing about Fender amps, they are synonymous with open back cabinets, great for a big open sound. If you want a tight directional sound with good chug you're on a loser straight away. If you we're for example looking at the Supersonic as a more modern option it would be wise to audition the head and closed back cab as opposed to the combo.

bacchanalian · September 2017

professorben said:

Jalapeno said:

bacchanalian said:

or classic jazz/blues, a cranked champ

That's Larry Carlton - probably via his Dumble/Dumbleator

Tweed Deluxe apparently.

Aye, there is a rig rundown somewhere with a story about The Dan flying the Fender in specially. You are right a tweed deluxe rather than champ.

As for not liking Neil, I would guess you have not seen him live. Needs to be indoors, somewhere reasonably small. Once you do that, it makes sense.

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