Burglar got killed

Heartfeltdawn · April 2018

underdog said:

Chalky said:

Iamnobody said:

bodhi said:

Career criminal targets the vulnerable. Karma hands him his ass. Tough luck. Next.

I’m sure he will be remembered as a rough diamond, a loveable rogue who will be sadly missed by all his family and friends...

Apparently his family is already claiming "there are questions that must be answered"...

Like why do two grown men think it's ok to break in to elderly people's houses? Or if the family weren't career criminals would he still be alive today? Is it easier for them to blame a 78 year old man for their relatives death rather than face up to the fact it was his own fault and most of the country think he got what he deserved?

yes it is easier. Some of the quotes I’m reading from family members of the deceased don’t lend themselves to suggesting that intelligence is rife within this gene pool.

VimFuego · April 2018

munckee said:

jonnyburgo said:

They should be allowed to grieve, the dead guy was a father and a son to somebody. Yes he might have been a wrong un or even a right bastard but ripping down tributes is not helping anybody. People like to piggy back on public outrage.

Yeah but not in view of the house where he (allegedly) started a fight to the death that he lost against a terrified pensioner.

gotta say I agree with this, smacks to me of blatant intimidation. And if the police don't do something about it, you'll have the self righteous brigade down there "guarding" the house, and that could easily escalate out of control.

jonnyburgo · April 2018

The self righteous brigade wont be there, more likely a mob of travellers. As I say nothing good can come of removing tributes, it smacks of stirring the pot. Dont get me wrong I bet the old chap never returns home now and his life is changed forever. I cant muster much sympathy for the dead guy but hate breeds hate.

VimFuego · April 2018

nothing good can come of putting up the tributes in the 1st place, that will be the catalyst of any escalation.

Chalky · April 2018

jonnyburgo said:

The self righteous brigade wont be there, more likely a mob of travellers. As I say nothing good can come of removing tributes, it smacks of stirring the pot. Dont get me wrong I bet the old chap never returns home now and his life is changed forever. I cant muster much sympathy for the dead guy but hate breeds hate.

What are you supporting here? Tributes to criminals? "He was someone's child so its only right"?

If the family of the Liverpool suicide bomber wanted to put up a plaque to him in the stadium, you would support that?

The pain of the Vincent family is understandable. It is their moral outrage about removal of tributes from a private fence that is not.

jonnyburgo · April 2018

No I wouldn’t put a plaque up for a terrorist and I’m not asking for a plaque to be put up for this guy either. What I am suggesting is let the family do what they are doing. Dead guy ain’t gonna come back either way he’s out of the frame. In time the tributes will be gone and the street will look normal. What can easily happen here is more conflict and more violence.

Chalky · April 2018

jonnyburgo said:

No I wouldn’t put a plaque up for a terrorist and I’m not asking for a plaque to be put up for this guy either. What I am suggesting is let the family do what they are doing. Dead guy ain’t gonna come back either way he’s out of the frame. In time the tributes will be gone and the street will look normal. What can easily happen here is more conflict and more violence.

No, in time the tributes will stay there like a running sore in the community. I understand your good intent but your prognosis is blinkered into "it'll all be alright in the end".

jonnyburgo · April 2018

I work with conflict resolution every day, sometimes have to look at the long term aim even if getting there doesn’t feel good or right at the time.

VimFuego · April 2018

personally, if it was my son who'd been killed whilst trying to assault with a deadly weapon an elderly man and a disabled woman, the last thing I'd be doing is putting up tributes to the cunt. I'd be looking at myself and wondering where I'd gone wrong.
vive la difference, apparently.

Iamnobody · April 2018

VimFuego said:

personally, if it was my son who'd been killed whilst trying to assault with a deadly weapon an elderly man and a disabled woman, the last thing I'd be doing is putting up tributes to the cunt. I'd be looking at myself and wondering where I'd gone wrong.
vive la difference, apparently.

Wisdom.

Fretwired · April 2018

VimFuego said:

personally, if it was my son who'd been killed whilst trying to assault with a deadly weapon an elderly man and a disabled woman, the last thing I'd be doing is putting up tributes to the cunt. I'd be looking at myself and wondering where I'd gone wrong.
vive la difference, apparently.

Agree.

I'm amazed the police haven't taken action. The homeowner's fence they are using is less than impressed - his property is being damaged. Apparently the family of the deceased have threatened the guy who took the latest lot of tributes down.

How do travellers get away with it?

VimFuego · April 2018

Chalky said:

jonnyburgo said:

No I wouldn’t put a plaque up for a terrorist and I’m not asking for a plaque to be put up for this guy either. What I am suggesting is let the family do what they are doing. Dead guy ain’t gonna come back either way he’s out of the frame. In time the tributes will be gone and the street will look normal. What can easily happen here is more conflict and more violence.

No, in time the tributes will stay there like a running sore in the community. I understand your good intent but your prognosis is blinkered into "it'll all be alright in the end".

yeah, you are seeing this a lot now (not saying it will or won't happen in this case, none of us, not even jonny, have crystal balls) but you do see a lot of those "tributes" being renewed, and you even now see yearly ceremonies on the anniversary of the death. So Jonny saying "they will be gone" is a platitude.

VimFuego · April 2018

jonnyburgo said:

I work with conflict resolution every day, sometimes have to look at the long term aim even if getting there doesn’t feel good or right at the time.

surely the best way to have these tributes is away from the site then. That way no one is intimidated, Bottom line, it's the family of the criminal who are instigating this, the ultimate responsibility for the resolution lies with them.

Chalky · April 2018

VimFuego said:

Chalky said:

jonnyburgo said:

No I wouldn’t put a plaque up for a terrorist and I’m not asking for a plaque to be put up for this guy either. What I am suggesting is let the family do what they are doing. Dead guy ain’t gonna come back either way he’s out of the frame. In time the tributes will be gone and the street will look normal. What can easily happen here is more conflict and more violence.

No, in time the tributes will stay there like a running sore in the community. I understand your good intent but your prognosis is blinkered into "it'll all be alright in the end".

yeah, you are seeing this a lot now (not saying it will or won't happen in this case, none of us, not even jonny, have crystal balls) but you do see a lot of those "tributes" being renewed, and you even now see yearly ceremonies on the anniversary of the death. So Jonny saying "they will be gone" is a platitude.

Exactly. I'm sure we all know places where these tributes have remained for years. Such tributes are not a problem normally, but in this case leaving them there is inflammatory.

speshul91 · April 2018

Approaching the council may help. All my brother in laws tributes got removed by them not long after he was killed.

bodhi · April 2018

Iamnobody said:

VimFuego said:

personally, if it was my son who'd been killed whilst trying to assault with a deadly weapon an elderly man and a disabled woman, the last thing I'd be doing is putting up tributes to the cunt. I'd be looking at myself and wondering where I'd gone wrong.
vive la difference, apparently.

Wisdom.

Double wisdom.

57Deluxe · April 2018

Fretwired said:

How do travellers get away with it?

Human bloody Rights and all the leftie doo-gooders jumping up and down in their homebrew knitwear...

Phil_aka_Pip · April 2018

VimFuego said:

personally, if it was my son who'd been killed whilst trying to assault with a deadly weapon an elderly man and a disabled woman, the last thing I'd be doing is putting up tributes to the cunt. I'd be looking at myself and wondering where I'd gone wrong.
vive la difference, apparently.

But you're not the kind of person who would bring up a son with that kind of attitude or to do that kind of thing. The burglar's parents probably thought his behaviour and attitude was just fine.

darthed1981 · April 2018

57Deluxe said:

Fretwired said:

How do travellers get away with it?

Human bloody Rights and all the leftie doo-gooders jumping up and down in their homebrew knitwear...

See I don't think that has a huge impact, they get away with it partly because they are clever and partly because of the way UK policing works.

They are clever in that committing low-level crimes, so not raping or murdering or child snatching but thieving, fighting and dog-napping, only gets a certain level of police response.

There is no way a single police officer or two officers would risk or be allowed to risk going into a travellers site at night, so they have two choices. They call in the riot vans, spend thousands and probably not charge anyone, or just let them go. Then next morning they go down and talk to a few people, but the evidence is gone.

The way UK law enforcement works element is our police are policing "by consent", i.e. they enforce the law on the principle that most people are law abiding and support what they are doing. This is what makes the UK police much more friendly and less feared than they are in many countries.

The main weakness of policing by consent is that when you are faced with a community with their own society and rules who have utter contempt for our society and rules, they lack the tools and means to deal with it. They think we hate them, and they hate us, it makes it hard to solve problems.

Phil_aka_Pip · April 2018

darthed1981 said:

They think we hate them, and they hate us, it makes it hard to solve problems.

Rightly or wrongly this is true. "Gypsies" (or more properly, the "Roma") have always had an unjustifiably hard time in Europe, and I think this may help explain their attitude. A German prince in the 1700s declared that any Gypsy male over 18 was "fair game" and if someone topped him no murder charge would ensue. Face with that kind of hatred it is not surprising that they hate and/or despise us in return.

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