Carr sportsman and Marshall in a box or Friedman

AllthegearNoidea

hi

opinions please. I have the former and am considering selling and buying the Friedman 

bwets

Totally different sounding amps. Go for the one you want/need?

mburekenge

Both with an a/b box.

JohnPerry

I had a Sportsman and it was a fabulous platform for a Weehbo JTM and JMP which killed my GAS for a Marshall

StuartMac290

If your main use is light grit to dirt, get the Friedman, rather than using the Sportsman to get something that isn't its primary aim. I had a Sportsman and thought it was pretty good, but the Friedman will certainly break up in a more pleasing way.

If your primary use is clean sounds, that's a different story - but again, there are better amps for that too.

JohnPerry

StuartMac290 said:

If your main use is light grit to dirt, get the Friedman, rather than using the Sportsman to get something that isn't its primary aim. I had a Sportsman and thought it was pretty good, but the Friedman will certainly break up in a more pleasing way.

If your primary use is clean sounds, that's a different story - but again, there are better amps for that too.

all true, including there being better clean amps. Must say I would try the Dirty Shirley pedal through the Sportsman first before I sprung for an actual Friedman amp

hywelg

Gigging? If so DrZ EZG through a good 2x12 and a good pedal or 4. Takes you from sublime SR cleans to heavy dirt if you get the right pedals. 

Dominic

JohnPerry said:

StuartMac290 said:

If your main use is light grit to dirt, get the Friedman, rather than using the Sportsman to get something that isn't its primary aim. I had a Sportsman and thought it was pretty good, but the Friedman will certainly break up in a more pleasing way.

If your primary use is clean sounds, that's a different story - but again, there are better amps for that too.

all true, including there being better clean amps. Must say I would try the Dirty Shirley pedal through the Sportsman first before I sprung for an actual Friedman amp

I've tried that through a Rambler .............doesn't cut the mustard; gets farty

AllthegearNoidea

bwets said:

Totally different sounding amps. Go for the one you want/need?

My tastes are changing and I’m enjoying more ac/dc, slash, Hendrix etc and feel I’m trying to force the sportsman to do something it’s not made for. I’ve tried the Wampler plexi drive, angry charlie and I’m not happy. 

AllthegearNoidea

Thanks everybody 

monkey42

Ac/dc slash, Hendrix are all Marshall style so the friedman is the better option.

for me the sportsman is fender based and then season accordingly with pedals

dindude

I have a Sportsman and it’s not entirely happy with high gain Marshall types, always seems a bit of a compromise. Best high gain stuff with it is something like the Bogner Burnley which takes over total control. However, I’m not chasing the Marshall sound so i love a Rat type or fuzzy thing into the Sportsman. 

Gadget

The Carr Slant 6V could be an option for you, as it has the Carr Fendery clean on channel 1 and a Marshall type rhythm on channel 2?

AllthegearNoidea

Gadget said:

The Carr Slant 6V could be an option for you, as it has the Carr Fendery clean on channel 1 and a Marshall type rhythm on channel 2?

Looks like a cool amp. I’ll do some research although I only play at home

Gadget

AllthegearNoidea said:

Gadget said:

The Carr Slant 6V could be an option for you, as it has the Carr Fendery clean on channel 1 and a Marshall type rhythm on channel 2?

Looks like a cool amp. I’ll do some research although I only play at home

Me too. It's 40W, so will go quite loud, but plays nicely at lower volumes too. The early ones only had reverb on channel 1, but had an fx loop. The current / later ones have reverb on both channels, but no fx loop.

Wazmeister

The Slant is too loud for home use imho... and the second channel is average, and Im a huge Carr fan...

You want good cleans and Marshall OD ?

Tone King Royalist 15w. Lovely amp with a gorgeous attenuator 

Dominic

The Royalist is great and still very loud but the attenuator is good
It has a lovely clean with more than enough headroom for loud home playing but it doesn't sound Fender like when clean
very good but certainly different

bwets

AllthegearNoidea said:

My tastes are changing and I’m enjoying more ac/dc, slash, Hendrix etc and feel I’m trying to force the sportsman to do something it’s not made for. I’ve tried the Wampler plexi drive, angry charlie and I’m not happy. 

Cool man- I think you know what you want to do then!

Could you go for two cheaper amps with different voicings?

edbolivar

Friedman BE50 Deluxe.
channel 1 is the Buxom Betty clean, which is based of a Fender front end.
channel 2 lots of Marshall tones from early  plexi breakup to more modern marshall.
channel 3 - as filthy as my wife
Covers all the bases you mentioned

hywelg

Dominic said:

JohnPerry said:

StuartMac290 said:

If your main use is light grit to dirt, get the Friedman, rather than using the Sportsman to get something that isn't its primary aim. I had a Sportsman and thought it was pretty good, but the Friedman will certainly break up in a more pleasing way.

If your primary use is clean sounds, that's a different story - but again, there are better amps for that too.

all true, including there being better clean amps. Must say I would try the Dirty Shirley pedal through the Sportsman first before I sprung for an actual Friedman amp

I've tried that through a Rambler .............doesn't cut the mustard; gets farty

Which speaker in the Rambler though? The Weber that was OEM for a while was breaking up far to early for me so swapped to an Elsinore and that's better but through my 2x12 with and EV and  Red Fang it's solid , excellent bass response. 

AllthegearNoidea

edbolivar said:

Friedman BE50 Deluxe.
channel 1 is the Buxom Betty clean, which is based of a Fender front end.
channel 2 lots of Marshall tones from early  plexi breakup to more modern marshall.
channel 3 - as filthy as my wife
Covers all the bases you mentioned

Sounds amazing but god that’s expensive