Axe_FX II Rigs, or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love Digital Modelling.

Clarky

You have to remember though that the D-Moll is not a Herbert or VH4.. and they each have a voice of their own..

I've only ever played through a real Herbert, VH4 and Einstein.. I've not tried the others..

Interestingly, the Das Metall is Cliff's idealised guess at a VH4 that he created before he had the real thing..

and I keep going back to it thinking that maybe it's actually the nicest of all the Diezel models.. lol..

fretmeister

Drew_fx;298172" said:

A dead give away as to how hard it is to pick... I keep tweaking the model thinking that I'm hearing changes, only to realise that I'm on the 'real Diezel scene' and actually none of my changes are being heard.

Would you like to buy a Russ Andrew cable for it?

Drew_TNBD

fretmeister said:

Drew_fx;298172" said:

A dead give away as to how hard it is to pick... I keep tweaking the model thinking that I'm hearing changes, only to realise that I'm on the 'real Diezel scene' and actually none of my changes are being heard.

Would you like to buy a Russ Andrew cable for it?

Nein.

Clarky

@Drew_fx did you come to a decision yet regarding the Axe->8008->cab combination for live??

Drew_TNBD

Not yet dude. I'm going to take it into the next practice, which is Thursday. I didn't manage to take it to the last one.

Clarky

ah ok... I'll be interested to hear about your experiences with the Axe->8008 combination in a band setting..

Drew_TNBD

Tomorrow night. Gonna give it a bash!

Clarky

so.... how'd it go????

Drew_TNBD

Tonight boss, tonight

7pm till 11pm. I'm taking all my gear, bass as well, since our bassist cannot make it tonight.

Clarky

ahhh.... I thought it was last night.... duhh ! !

Drew_TNBD

hehehehe. I'm gonna take my FCB with me as well, so I can play through a few songs in real time and see how it feels.

Clarky

one stomp and everything changes… you know it makes sense… lol..

Drew_TNBD

Well...


... I was pretty disappointed. All three of us were actually - drummer and other guitarist. The real Diezel in a band situation just quite clearly blew the Axe FX out of the park. So much more thump, depth, pleasing sizzle, and CUUTTTTT.

Our drummer said the Axe didn't sound real. He said it sounded like "a recording" rather than a fire breathing amp. I totally agreed with him.

Don't know what to think now. I was using those presets we made, and a few others that were based on them.

As I said... disappointed. Really wanted it to just blow my rig away. It didn't.

Deijavoo

Shame that dude. You'll have to sell it for pennies to me.

Si_

Si_ said:

Play them both live.. I bet to pick the D-Moll then...

Hate to say I told you so.. but.....

Drew_TNBD

This isn't the first time I've tried it in that situation. The first time I did I had it going through the power section of my D-Moll. So... I don't think a tube poweramp is going to solve this for me, before anyone suggests that

Hmmm... need to do some thinking.

Si_

My problem was always when playing with a band.. on it's own it sounded great, but when I got together with the band it was always lacking. the first time I did  rehearsal with my Pink Taco I decided within 30 mins of the rehearsal that the AxeFX was going and sold it next morning.

When a drummer is telling you things about your tone then you know there is a problem..

Drew_TNBD

^ Didn't know when to LOL or Wisdom... so ...

I don't want to make any rash decisions... but the thought of selling it did occur to me. Okay, here is the story... I ditched my two Boss delays for a Flashback X4 this week. Within 20 minutes of using it, I had more pleasing delay tones than I've had from the Axe for a good chunk of time. It's definitely not that they're bad, they're really not. But they're quite hi-fi and pristine... lacking in character. Even the Boss pedals have a bit more character going for them, I guess weirdly its the lower cost and lower quality components doing that.

So that made me think "maaan.... well fuck it.... I'll just use it for amps.... like a souped up JMP-1" except after tonight, even that idea is out of the window. Now I'm thinking, do I want all that money tied up in a bit of gear that I can't use for it's original purpose (live use) and that I'd only be using for recording. Do I really want to do that? I just don't know.

Again - it doesn't sound bad. But in a live situation, my real amp beats it. For recording demos... the tones can literally be as shitty as you like, an Orange Micro Amp or something.... and for serious recording projects, I'd use my amp anyway.... so... why do I have this thing again?

Maybe I just need to sleep on it. But at this moment in time, this is how I feel.

Si_

Have a wisdom..

Clarky

Drew_fx said:

Well...


... I was pretty disappointed. All three of us were actually - drummer and other guitarist. The real Diezel in a band situation just quite clearly blew the Axe FX out of the park. So much more thump, depth, pleasing sizzle, and CUUTTTTT.

Our drummer said the Axe didn't sound real. He said it sounded like "a recording" rather than a fire breathing amp. I totally agreed with him.

Don't know what to think now. I was using those presets we made, and a few others that were based on them.

As I said... disappointed. Really wanted it to just blow my rig away. It didn't.

wow… interesting and a little unexpected…

you do have to remember though that the presets we dialled in were through my cabs..

and they lack nothing at all to my ears.. the depth and cut is all there

I recall you telling me my tones were too bright - I think there were a little - especially the cleans at the time..

I'm sure you goofed with the Axe tones to try to get them in with the band..

I'm guessing that you need to get the presence up so the extreme highs get really chewed up by the preamp..

and if that ends up too bright, pull them back a touch with the GEQ

delay wise, I always 'lo-fi' mine..

the delay has an EQ, I push the low and high bands closer to the mids and in the tone page I add a little distortion [between 0.6 and 1.0 usually].. I like my delays to sound crap..

well.. you've heard my tones and they're not dialled in quite to sweetly as yours..

maybe that's why they work.. cos they're a bit rough and ready..