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Emp_FabEmp_Fab Frets: 19902
I've been using Lastpass for quite a while - and it's on my laptop, computer, phone and iPad.  Now they're moving to a subscription model - which is one of the latest trends that I hate.  In their case, they're implementing a strange version; you pay a subscription fee for each device type you use it on.  In my case, that means four subscriptions!  I am happy to pay a one-off fee for a product but I won't sign up for this.

Who uses password managers and can you recommend any that don't operate a subscription model ?
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  • Chris.BChris.B Frets: 77
    I've just bought a subscription to Lastpass and it covers all my devices, without multiple fees.

    I would have preferred to stay on the free version, but I think the fee introduction was inevitable.
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  • wibblewibble Frets: 694
    I don't know why you figure it's 4 subscriptions.

    It's one subscription or you can stay on the free tier which is now restricted to one device type - you choose to use it free on mobile or free on computers.



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  • poopotpoopot Frets: 6145
    Do you need a password manager?

    surely it’s easy to remember “emp1234”
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  • chromatunachromatuna Frets: 185
    I use Lastpass and my understanding is that you now have to pay a subscription if you wish to use it on multiple devices - just the one subscription. They are limiting the free version to a single device. I am happy to pay a sub as it's rather good and my online security is worth it.

    What's changing in LastPass Free?

    Beginning March 16, 2021, LastPass Free will include access on one device type of your choice. The first device you login with on or after March 16 will set your active device typt
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  • vasselmeyervasselmeyer Frets: 3159
    Try Bitwarden. Open source and free, unlike Lastpass which is owned by Teamviwer. They'll reel you in with a "free" offer and then change the rules and charge you. They're known for it.
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  • fastonebazfastonebaz Frets: 2069
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  • Keepass or password safe 

    Password Safe (pwsafe.org)
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  • Emp_FabEmp_Fab Frets: 19902
    Oh....  I appear to have misunderstood the switch!  I thought it was one subscription per machine type!  Either way, I'm not a fan of subscription models, so I'll check out some of the suggestions so far.  Thanks.
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  • GrunfeldGrunfeld Frets: 3514
    edited February 27
    Keepass or password safe....

    Big fan of KeePass -- free, secure, and simple.  I sync the password file across all devices with Google Drive and have stand alone versions of KeePass on my Android, iPad, and W10 machines.  I also keep a copy of the file on a USB stick on my key ring.
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  • strtdvstrtdv Frets: 2085
    I write my passwords on a piece of paper which I keep at home, because there's very little overlap in the type of criminal who breaks into your home to steal things and the kind of criminal who is interested in your online accounts
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  • bcjimbcjim Frets: 20
    I have a paid family(?) subscription to LastPass.  I use it on iPhone, iPad and my Windows PCs.  Wife uses it as well and we share passwords for utilities, shops, bank etc.  Works well and worth the money, I think.

    Jim.
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  • notanonnotanon Frets: 412
    Keepass is intuitive and useful features I have to log into several dozen different applications and systems every day.
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  • LodiousLodious Frets: 1600
    I've been using LastPass for a while, I've no problem with paying for it, but I'd want it to work if I'm paying and it just seems too flaky to pay for it. 
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  • BodBod Frets: 479
    vasselmeyer said:
    Try Bitwarden. Open source and free, unlike Lastpass which is owned by Teamviwer. They'll reel you in with a "free" offer and then change the rules and charge you. They're known for it.
    It's owned by LogMeIn, not TeamViewer, but you're right, it's standard practice for LogMeIn.  I was a paying customer of LastPass before LogMeIn bought them, and saw this move coming from the way they handled business with their remote control offering, which caused people to flock to TeamViewer, myself included.

    I have to say, I'm not adverse to paying for their service, but their mobile app has never worked well for me so it's given me the push to look elsewhere.  I have to say that since switching to BitWarden, I can't believe I didn't do it sooner.  It works really well, including the mobile app, and I don't mind stumping up £10 a year for a sub for that.

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  • BodBod Frets: 479
    strtdv said:
    I write my passwords on a piece of paper which I keep at home, because there's very little overlap in the type of criminal who breaks into your home to steal things and the kind of criminal who is interested in your online accounts
    Agreed, but there's more to it than that.  It makes it possible to have unique, long, complicated passwords without ever having to look them up or remember them.  Hackers don't have to have access to your password to break into your account.  Having a password manager generate a 30 character password for something pretty much eliminates the possibilty of a brute force attack.
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  • Emp_FabEmp_Fab Frets: 19902
    @vasselmeyer Thanks for the tip mate - I've switched over to BitWarden, and it's a lot better than Lastpass too!
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  • oafoaf Frets: 254
    You can self host BitWarden too, the Rust (bitwarden_rs) version is very easy to setup with docker.
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  • AlmachAlmach Frets: 105
    Can't you just use a password protected spreadsheet to store all your accounts and associated passwords ?

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  • fastonebazfastonebaz Frets: 2069
    Almach said:
    Can't you just use a password protected spreadsheet to store all your accounts and associated passwords ?

    I could crack your password protected spreadsheet in under a minute if I had it.
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  • Jimbro66Jimbro66 Frets: 1951
    I really should step into the 21st century. All my passwords are stored in an old Palm Organiser that can't be hacked because it has no internet connection, just one password to access the Organiser. If it packed up I'd be in trouble, although I replaced it's battery not long ago and it is also backed up to another non-internet device.

    I'm reading this thread with interest though.
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  • GrumpyrockerGrumpyrocker Frets: 2014
    I've been using Keepass for years. Free, open source. I distribute the database via Google Drive to my various devices.

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  • TimmyOTimmyO Frets: 4504
    I like 1Password
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  • NiteflyNitefly Frets: 3475
    I'll do it, Emp, just give them all to me and I'll look after them for you.

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  • AlmachAlmach Frets: 105
    I could crack your password protected spreadsheet in under a minute if I had it.

    I think maybe your l33t haxxor skillz need updating. LibreOffice saves files in AES256 format. Estimates are, if you live in a single star system, you won't crack it this century.

    The password might be an easier option, a pass phrase of 6 words with a few special characters so around 100 bits of entropy. That should keep a decent sized server farm chugging away at full throttle for a decade or two.

    If you are using Microsoft stuff then all bets are off as you don't know what "telemetry" they are slurping.

    Paying to save all your information to a cloudy nonsense that might not be there when you need it borders on the stupid.


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  • fastonebazfastonebaz Frets: 2069
    Almach said:
    I could crack your password protected spreadsheet in under a minute if I had it.

    I think maybe your l33t haxxor skillz need updating. LibreOffice saves files in AES256 format. Estimates are, if you live in a single star system, you won't crack it this century.

    The password might be an easier option, a pass phrase of 6 words with a few special characters so around 100 bits of entropy. That should keep a decent sized server farm chugging away at full throttle for a decade or two.

    If you are using Microsoft stuff then all bets are off as you don't know what "telemetry" they are slurping.

    Paying to save all your information to a cloudy nonsense that might not be there when you need it borders on the stupid.


    Usually you just convert the xlsx extension to zip, open, manipulate one of the files within, change back to xlsx and voila the old pwd is corrupt and you are prompted to set your own, thus are "in".  One minute. 
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  • LodiousLodious Frets: 1600
    I've been trying out Microsoft Authenticator's password manager, which I thought looked OK. Been using it with Edge and despite deselecting the "Sign in automatically" option, it's just signed me in to my PayPal account without prompting for additional information, which is pretty scary. 

    Lastpass is a pain when you have to constantly re-enter passwords, but at least it feels like it's asking too many times, not allowing access without checking. 
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  • BigMonkaBigMonka Frets: 1643
    I generally just use Google Chrome across my devices and use the built in password manager.
    it can be a bit of a pain trying to remember passwords for apps though if they don’t have a website login that I’ve got saved in Chrome.
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