Another coffee thread....

Teetonetal

My wife wants to buy a Jura machine.

Are they even remotely worth the cost? For such an expensive machine it only comes with 2 year warranty which is a bit crap.

We've been through Nespresso capsule and a Delonghi all in one machine. right now have one of those espresso stove things.

to be honest I am happy with what we have, but the wife likes frothy coffees.

So, Jura, worth it or just hype?

Clecko

I make two frothy coffees every day with a stovetop for the coffee, and an electric mini-whisk to froth the heated milk!

roundthebend

Clecko said:

I make two frothy coffees every day with a stovetop for the coffee, and an electric mini-whisk to froth the heated milk!

Same. Or an aeropress.
By the way, your username is familiar. Have you been here for years but has a period of abstinence or an I confusing you for someone else?

@Teetonal we had a Jura machine at a previous office. It was rubbish. The coffee they were using want particularly good, apparently, but the machine was always breaking down. I had to go down 6 floors to buy a coffee in the canteen and yet still preferred that option.

Stratavarious

Been very happy with a mid price Delonghi (not all in one - more to go wrong) for a few years now. Made around half a dozen cups a day throughout.

With a non-pressurised portafilter basket upgrade (£9) and freshly ground beans, it makes all the frothy and black, espressos you could want.  

I can’t imagine a Jura machine would really make coffee four times better.

if spending money I’d go for simpler classic design and less features, screens, electronics.

fastonebaz

I've tried various pod machines and find that my cheap Russell hobbs percolator makes the easiest and best coffee.   Quick,, hot and strong just like my women. 

In fact I found the type of bean to be far more important to my enjoyment than the machine

dano

My sister and her husband have a Jura, cant recall the model,  it's a fancy bean to cup, about £500 which is a lot of cash.  It makes a nice espresso and americano. But the espresso isn't as good as  my 15yr old Gaggia Classic.

Teetonetal

hmm, thread is beginning to confirm what I already suspect. Bit of a waste of money.... 

Clecko said:

I make two frothy coffees every day with a stovetop for the coffee, and an electric mini-whisk to froth the heated milk!

This is what I currently do, but apparently it's too inconvienient, not sure I'd agree, given that it takes no space, cleaning is easy and repair is non existent...

welby

We are on our second Jura an S9 impressa it's an expensive machine and not as robust as the original. I don't send back to Jura to service but rather get it serviced every 2 years in house about £80.00.
The cleaning tablets and filters are now available as generic items rather than direct from Jura and machine tells you when to change them. The coffee tastes great and most items including strength, amount and type (expresso latte etc) are easily programmable.
I have a friend in Germany who has been using the same Jura fo 20 plus years.
I don't know too much about alternatives such as Bosch or Sage which look rather complicated.
Swiss engineering and technology expensive as I said but if its still going in 5 years we'll worth it.

ThePrettyDamned

They're good but will still (like any boiler espresso machine) need regular cleaning and maintenance. Being a bean to cup means there is more to go wrong and you pay a lot for automation, not better coffee.

Good espresso without much faff = good grinder + cafelat robot.

Good espresso with slight faff = good grinder + flair pro/flair signature

Good espresso with medium faff = good grinder and a good machine, such as a modified gaggia classic. Go used on coffeeforums.

If you opt for the first or second option, you'll get faff-free espresso with no frothy milk. You can get the dualit cino for steaming duties. Obviously, a boiler machine can do more but it's harder to get consistent pressures and temperatures (don't worry, you'll still make great coffee!). 

Or... If you're not interested in good espresso and you just want a concentrated coffee with frothy milk, a stove top moka pot plus the dualit can work. The dualit means you get proper textured milk. 

Otherwise, there are other milk frothing devices that will be a quarter the price but give a frothy coffee. It won't be a nicely texturised drink like you'd get from a shop but it'll taste great and be much less faff! 

RedRabbit

ThePrettyDamned said:

Good espresso with slight faff = good grinder + flair pro/flair signature

@ThePrettyDamned I'm thinking of going this route.  Don't really want to splash out on an expensive grinder like the Niche Zero though.  Any recommendations for capable hand grinders below the £150 mark?

ThePrettyDamned

RedRabbit said:

ThePrettyDamned said:

Good espresso with slight faff = good grinder + flair pro/flair signature

@ThePrettyDamned I'm thinking of going this route.  Don't really want to splash out on an expensive grinder like the Niche Zero though.  Any recommendations for capable hand grinders below the £150 mark?

1zpresso jx-pro is supposed to be good but I've not tried it. 

I currently use a Knock Feld 47 and, previously, a Knock Aergrind. Both are fine - and with a flair, and it's narrower puck, you can enjoy great espresso from a hand grinder. The feld 47 grinds quicker, given the slightly larger burr. I use a robot, so 58mm portafilter which tends to require a slightly finer grind, and both worked fine for that so the flair should be easier still. 

Coffeeforums.co.uk you may get lucky

McSwaggerty

Teetonetal said:

hmm, thread is beginning to confirm what I already suspect. Bit of a waste of money.... 

Clecko said:

I make two frothy coffees every day with a stovetop for the coffee, and an electric mini-whisk to froth the heated milk!

This is what I currently do, but apparently it's too inconvienient, not sure I'd agree, given that it takes no space, cleaning is easy and repair is non existent...

Exactly.
i think your wife just wants to spend some money....

RedRabbit

ThePrettyDamned said:

RedRabbit said:

ThePrettyDamned said:

Good espresso with slight faff = good grinder + flair pro/flair signature

@ThePrettyDamned I'm thinking of going this route.  Don't really want to splash out on an expensive grinder like the Niche Zero though.  Any recommendations for capable hand grinders below the £150 mark?

1zpresso jx-pro is supposed to be good but I've not tried it. 

I currently use a Knock Feld 47 and, previously, a Knock Aergrind. Both are fine - and with a flair, and it's narrower puck, you can enjoy great espresso from a hand grinder. The feld 47 grinds quicker, given the slightly larger burr. I use a robot, so 58mm portafilter which tends to require a slightly finer grind, and both worked fine for that so the flair should be easier still. 

Coffeeforums.co.uk you may get lucky

Cheers.  I'd seen the aergrind on a James Hoffman video and he seemed to like it for a "cheap" grinder.  They don't seem to be in stock at the moment but it wasn't going to be an immediate purchase anyway.  I've a big birthday coming up in a few months so it might be something to drop hints about.

djspecialist

+1 on the Feld 47.  I got one recently, to replace a Porlex Mini, and the difference is night and day.

It's worth subscribing for stock updates on the MBK website.  I did that, and a couple of weeks later received an email from the owner saying that a batch of cosmetic seconds would be going on sale at 5pm that day.  I've had a good look at the one I received, and I can't spot even the tiniest mark on it.

Clecko

roundthebend said:

Clecko said:

I make two frothy coffees every day with a stovetop for the coffee, and an electric mini-whisk to froth the heated milk!

Same. Or an aeropress.
By the way, your username is familiar. Have you been here for years but has a period of abstinence or an I confusing you for someone else?

@Teetonal we had a Jura machine at a previous office. It was rubbish. The coffee they were using want particularly good, apparently, but the machine was always breaking down. I had to go down 6 floors to buy a coffee in the canteen and yet still preferred that option.

@roundthebend - hah! Yes, it's Mike. I've bought some stuff from you, you've been to my house and we're facebook friends!

roundthebend

Clecko said:

roundthebend said:

Clecko said:

I make two frothy coffees every day with a stovetop for the coffee, and an electric mini-whisk to froth the heated milk!

Same. Or an aeropress.
By the way, your username is familiar. Have you been here for years but has a period of abstinence or an I confusing you for someone else?

@Teetonal we had a Jura machine at a previous office. It was rubbish. The coffee they were using want particularly good, apparently, but the machine was always breaking down. I had to go down 6 floors to buy a coffee in the canteen and yet still preferred that option.

@roundthebend - hah! Yes, it's Mike. I've bought some stuff from you, you've been to my house and we're facebook friends!

I thought so. Have you been away from here, or just in the proper bits of the forum about actual guitars and stuff rather than Off Topic which is about all I do?

I still stalk you on Facebook anyway

Clecko

roundthebend said:

Clecko said:

roundthebend said:

Clecko said:

I make two frothy coffees every day with a stovetop for the coffee, and an electric mini-whisk to froth the heated milk!

Same. Or an aeropress.
By the way, your username is familiar. Have you been here for years but has a period of abstinence or an I confusing you for someone else?

@Teetonal we had a Jura machine at a previous office. It was rubbish. The coffee they were using want particularly good, apparently, but the machine was always breaking down. I had to go down 6 floors to buy a coffee in the canteen and yet still preferred that option.

@roundthebend - hah! Yes, it's Mike. I've bought some stuff from you, you've been to my house and we're facebook friends!

I thought so. Have you been away from here, or just in the proper bits of the forum about actual guitars and stuff rather than Off Topic which is about all I do?

I still stalk you on Facebook anyway

I had such a faff uploading some photos that I flounced off for about 5 years and then realised that I was more productive and earned more money when I spent less time on the forum!

pogul

Clecko said:

I make two frothy coffees every day with a stovetop for the coffee, and an electric mini-whisk to froth the heated milk!

My other half and I use a stove top and it just makes such nice coffee, no need to worry about how many barrs of pressure or whatever. I find the 'posh' machines just seem to make horrible chemically tasting coffee, but from a stove top machine its smooth and lovely every time. And on induction, it only takes a couple of mins and you're done.

Also, when you go away anywhere, just throw it in your luggage, no glass to break, light, works everywhere there's a hob :-)

rivercider

I find an Aeropress is a great, cheap way to get good coffee. I did also buy a little filter machine again for when I want more cups, but the Aeropress seems to make it a bit better, to me.

axisus

If Mrs A wanted one I'd just say buy it. We are past that young stage of having no money!

pogul

welby said:

We are on our second Jura ...The cleaning tablets and filters ..

Wait, you have to do what?! I just give the stove-top-machine-thing a quick swill round with water before putting the next lot of coffee in.