59 Conversion - I dare say a healthy discussion will follow

roberty

flying_pie said:

richardhomer said:

The issue with these is how do you authenticate what are supposedly ‘original’ elements? And is it ‘better’ than a CS reissue/hand-built fake/‘clone’?

You can't and it's not.

The asking price is completely taking the piss. I wouldn't have been surprised to read that it had previously been routed for a Floyd Rose and then restored by Ed Roman

This prompted me to go down a mini Ed Roman wormhole. I remember his website and that he was prone to hyperbole but blimey he really didn't gaf did he

Blaendulais

Maybe its identified as a burst. We can't then argue with that can we.

roberty

Blaendulais said:

Maybe its identified as a burst. We can't then argue with that can we.

What if you identified as an original joke

Offset

I presume that once the auction has finished, the actual sale price is published... perhaps we should start a competition to guess a sum closest to the purchase price (ex-fees).  I'm willing to donate a c.30 year-old set of Danelectro 10-46 strings (guaranteed unopened and unmolested) to the lucky winner :-)

Blaendulais

ligroberty said:

Blaendulais said:

Maybe its identified as a burst. We can't then argue with that can we.

What if you identified as an original joke

lighten up fella

Offset

Blaendulais said:

ligroberty said:

Blaendulais said:

Maybe its identified as a burst. We can't then argue with that can we.

What if you identified as an original joke

lighten up fella

Well it made me grin.  I even had to think about it first :-)

Ddigger

Non-original switch tip - that's me out, at any price...

I'd also have to factor in a "Cleartone" conversion and Harley Benton pickups...

p90fool

guitars4you said:

Think the humbuckers and case are the only + points in this example

It says the pickups are "probably" original PAFs, which is not good enough in that price range.

"Probably" sounds like a disclaimer to me, because they know they're not real.  

BigPaulie

£30k for a guitar that no-one really seems to know the whole story of?

I'd rather have a Yaron burst and £20k in my pocket.

Kittyfrisk

BigPaulie said:

£30k for a guitar that no-one really seems to know the whole story of?

I'd rather have a Yaron burst and £20k in my pocket.

This is why the theory of relativity is not straightforward...

ICBM

BigPaulie said:

£30k for a guitar that no-one really seems to know the whole story of?

I'd rather have a Yaron burst and £20k in my pocket.

Yeah but old wood innit.

Bear in mind that you can get many un-fucked-around-with 50s Gibsons for that sort of money, including a Custom I think. (Pricing info may be slightly out of date now, but not too far out.) It’s only if you must have something which looks like a “burst” that you need to spend more on a dog’s dinner than a largely or completely original guitar.

historyisjunk

Like most people here I'm struggling with this a bit. I can understand why luthier/restorers make these because they are so oddly valuable, but in the process this hasn't just been repaired & refinished it seems to have had some of the wood replaced, or covered up.
Philistine probably, but i'd rather it had been refinished gold again & made into a '53 '54 alike with humbuckers, as these had already been fitted. It would sound just as good & there would be more of it left. And no need for the serial nunber B/S.

NelsonP

Joe Bonamassa already bought it

Danielsguitars

My problem is most 50s goldtops were rarely centre seamed so it could just be a good stig replica anyway.

impmann

The more you look, the more wrong it appears. 

The solder on the back of the pickups is shiny and new, and in odd places - and doesn’t line up with the covers. The pole piece screws are very shiny…

Its a bitsa and I’m struggling to see what’s left of it that’s “old”. Old wood *perhaps* but even that is questionable.

if the identification of this guitar hinges on a set of inlays… which could have been rescued from an old Les Paul…. I think only a fool would spend fortunes here.

guitars4you

historyisjunk said:

Like most people here I'm struggling with this a bit. I can understand why luthier/restorers make these because they are so oddly valuable, but in the process this hasn't just been repaired & refinished it seems to have had some of the wood replaced, or covered up.
Philistine probably, but i'd rather it had been refinished gold again & made into a '53 '54 alike with humbuckers, as these had already been fitted. It would sound just as good & there would be more of it left. And no need for the serial nunber B/S.

makes sense 

Neil

Danielsguitars said:

My problem is most 50s goldtops were rarely centre seamed so it could just be a good stig replica anyway.

It's a new top. 

dazzajl

Every time I see anything about these conversions, all I can think about is how sad it is that another gorgeous P90 guitar was killed off to make a far more run of the mill and ordinary HB version. 

richardhomer

dazzajl said:

Every time I see anything about these conversions, all I can think about is how sad it is that another gorgeous P90 guitar was killed off to make a far more run of the mill and ordinary HB version. 

Like people who decide to have plastic surgery to look like someone else…

dazzajl

richardhomer said:

dazzajl said:

Every time I see anything about these conversions, all I can think about is how sad it is that another gorgeous P90 guitar was killed off to make a far more run of the mill and ordinary HB version. 

Like people who decide to have plastic surgery to look like someone else…

Exactly!!

Unless it’s to look like me, of course