Use Your Illusion Remasters....

Boromedic

So yesterday..... (there were so many things I was never told...),

They finally released the first remasters from the Illusion LPs, Planet Rock made a big fuss of the November Rain one which now has a live orchestra on it, ably assisted by one Steven Wilson. It sounds good, some new fancy parts and the guitars sound more "live" but.. I dug out my original vinyl pressings tonight and compared the original to the remaster. Prefer the original, hahaha.....

I mean it's how its sounded for the last 31 years of my life, so I guess it's familiar I just don't get why sometimes they have to fuck with stuff. I prefer Metallica's approach to remasters, clean it up and release it as it sounded before. 

I do forget how good some of the stuff on these is too

RocknRollDave

After the near-perfection of Appetite.., UYI  was a disappointment of colossal proportions. It’d take more than a Steven Wilson remix to sort it out.

Boromedic

RocknRollDave said:

After the near-perfection of Appetite.., UYI  was a disappointment of colossal proportions. It’d take more than a Steven Wilson remix to sort it out.

Ahhh, the sound of my youth really, Appetite, Illusions, Metallica, AC-DC, Maiden, Pearl Jam, Crowes.... I like the Illusions as much as Appetite in places, however Appetite was/is the best debut of all time (closely followed by Kill Em All for me), and is the better album for sure. 

Neilybob

Boromedic said:

RocknRollDave said:

After the near-perfection of Appetite.., UYI  was a disappointment of colossal proportions. It’d take more than a Steven Wilson remix to sort it out.

Ahhh, the sound of my youth really, Appetite, Illusions, Metallica, AC-DC, Maiden, Pearl Jam, Crowes.... I like the Illusions as much as Appetite in places, however Appetite was/is the best debut of all time (closely followed by Kill Em All for me), and is the better album for sure. 

Can’t disagree with that though I do like UYI still.

Philly_Q

Boromedic said:

Planet Rock made a big fuss of the November Rain one which now has a live orchestra on it, ably assisted by one Steven Wilson. It sounds good, some new fancy parts and the guitars sound more "live" but.. I dug out my original vinyl pressings tonight and compared the original to the remaster. Prefer the original, hahaha.....

I mean it's how its sounded for the last 31 years of my life, so I guess it's familiar I just don't get why sometimes they have to fuck with stuff. I prefer Metallica's approach to remasters, clean it up and release it as it sounded before. 

To be honest I thought that's what a remaster was supposed to be, essentially.  Adding something that wasn't there before - like an orchestra - isn't a remaster.  It isn't even a remix, I don't know what you'd call it... reimagined?

Boromedic

Philly_Q said:

Boromedic said:

Planet Rock made a big fuss of the November Rain one which now has a live orchestra on it, ably assisted by one Steven Wilson. It sounds good, some new fancy parts and the guitars sound more "live" but.. I dug out my original vinyl pressings tonight and compared the original to the remaster. Prefer the original, hahaha.....

I mean it's how its sounded for the last 31 years of my life, so I guess it's familiar I just don't get why sometimes they have to fuck with stuff. I prefer Metallica's approach to remasters, clean it up and release it as it sounded before. 

To be honest I thought that's what a remaster was supposed to be, essentially.  Adding something that wasn't there before - like an orchestra - isn't a remaster.  It isn't even a remix, I don't know what you'd call it... reimagined?

You and me both! I guess reimagined would be the right phrase

mrkb

Boromedic said:

Philly_Q said:

To be honest I thought that's what a remaster was supposed to be, essentially.  Adding something that wasn't there before - like an orchestra - isn't a remaster.  It isn't even a remix, I don't know what you'd call it... reimagined?

You and me both! I guess reimagined would be the right phrase

If they were reimagining UYI they would have realised Get in the Ring was a mistake and dropped it from the rerelease

Boromedic

mrkb said:

Boromedic said:

Philly_Q said:

To be honest I thought that's what a remaster was supposed to be, essentially.  Adding something that wasn't there before - like an orchestra - isn't a remaster.  It isn't even a remix, I don't know what you'd call it... reimagined?

You and me both! I guess reimagined would be the right phrase

If they were reimagining UYI they would have realised Get in the Ring was a mistake and dropped it from the rerelease

Fuck you, suck my fuckin dick

It's a great song, ruined by the middle part, damn you Axl!

Reverend

UYI would make a great EP

Creed_Clicks

If one were to make a playlist of say, an albums worth of tracks from UYI, 10 songs / 12 songs, what would they be? To save me having to listen to them. I never listened to either of the UYI albums.

Boromedic

Creed_Clicks said:

If one were to make a playlist of say, an albums worth of tracks from UYI, 10 songs / 12 songs, what would they be? To save me having to listen to them. I never listened to either of the UYI albums.

Leave it with me..... I did the same with the Load/Reload albums.

RocknRollDave

Reverend said:

UYI would make a great EP

If it were re-recorded with a good drummer.

Boromedic

RocknRollDave said:

Reverend said:

UYI would make a great EP

If it were re-recorded with a good drummer.

Wow, Sorum is stiff like compared to Adler (who I prefer), but he's a great drummer none the less. Game of opinions I guess!

GoFish

Adler definitely has the special sauce (not that!)

RocknRollDave

Boromedic said:

RocknRollDave said:

Reverend said:

UYI would make a great EP

If it were re-recorded with a good drummer.

Wow, Sorum is stiff like compared to Adler (who I prefer), but he's a great drummer none the less. Game of opinions I guess!

He’s not a great drummer if he just beats the living daylights out of everything, plays with no dynamics and kills the rock n roll swagger of the early songs stone dead.

Perfectly competent drummer, and all that, but completely lacking all the qualities GnR needed.

Boromedic

RocknRollDave said:

Boromedic said:

RocknRollDave said:

Reverend said:

UYI would make a great EP

If it were re-recorded with a good drummer.

Wow, Sorum is stiff like compared to Adler (who I prefer), but he's a great drummer none the less. Game of opinions I guess!

He’s not a great drummer if he just beats the living daylights out of everything, plays with no dynamics and kills the rock n roll swagger of the early songs stone dead.

Perfectly competent drummer, and all that, but completely lacking all the qualities GnR needed.

Oh don't get me wrong, I completely agree on the Guns front, Adler is the drummer for them, much better player for their stuff even if technically nowhere compared to Sorum. Sorum was handpicked by Slash though so he's got something, depending on who you believe Adler is on UYI II, he plays on Civil War. Sounds just like Sorum, lol. 

Going back to the discussion in point, its like Simon Wright & Chris Slade and the other guy AC/DC used, nowhere near as much swing and swagger as Phil Rudd. 

Boromedic

Creed_Clicks said:

If one were to make a playlist of say, an albums worth of tracks from UYI, 10 songs / 12 songs, what would they be? To save me having to listen to them. I never listened to either of the UYI albums.

Sooooo, it's hard to whittle down to 10, so I went with a few more (there's 30 on the two!).. I've picked 15, but there's 2 in bold italics that you could miss off and give you 13 (my lucky number), let me know your thoughts once you've had a listen. Looks mega to me!

I've tried to give it an album flow but it's not perfect:

Right Next Door To Hell
Bad Obsession
14 Years
Double Talkin Jive
Civil War
Don't Cry
You Could Be MIne
November Rain
Pretty Tied Up
The Garden
Yesterdays
Back Off Bitch
Estranged
Perfect Crime

Creed_Clicks

Boromedic said:

Creed_Clicks said:

If one were to make a playlist of say, an albums worth of tracks from UYI, 10 songs / 12 songs, what would they be? To save me having to listen to them. I never listened to either of the UYI albums.

Leave it with me..... I did the same with the Load/Reload albums.

Post up the Load / Reload one too, although I like Load as an album, it’s pretty good.

Boromedic

Do you have Spotify mate?

If so, here's a link:

https://open.spotify.com/playlist/4oS5rV1Gn0W4DiWOEQQFqf?si=uZKDofkAQJ2RT8Dr9I_1FA&utm_source=copy-link

If not I'll list em shortly.

Boromedic

Fuel

Memory Remains

Carpe Diem Baby

Unforgiven II

Until It Sleeps

Wasting My Hate

Bleeding Me

Ain't My Bitch

King Nothing

Devils Dance

Where The Wild Things Are

Hero Of The Day

Mama Said

Fixxer

LPManic

The real answer to the one UYI album is:

Civil War
Dust n Bones
You Could be Mine
Knocking on Heaven's Door
Bad Obsession
Double Talkin Jive
Let and Let Die
Yesterdays
So Fine
Pretty Tied Up
November Rain
Don't Cry
Coma
Estranged

Unashamedly the best songs from the two albums. And unsurprisingly the songs that they normally played from the albums.

Although it's hugely flawed, I'm a big fan of the UYI era. There is so much footage of the shows out there so kudos to them for recording so much. Slash plays amazing on the tour. And Axl sounds fantastic. It's a pity that Duff looks so fucking awful. And Izzy left. And Sorum smashed through any roll the band had. (Maybe it was all shit after all ha!) But I just love it cos it is so early 90s. What a time to be alive.