The Stones and Brian Jones

BluesLover

There's a good documentary on BBC iPlayer, 1.5 hours long, lots of archive film and interviews etc.

equalsql

That was cracking. I was amazed of how much footage there was of him as a young lad. 

axisus

I've never really been a fan of the Stones, but I'm hearing good things about this so I shall probably take a look (if I remember!)

hollywoodrox

Is that the title ,I’m not allowed to watch iPlayer but could probably download it from somewhere

CaseOfAce

Found it really interesting.

I've read the Keith book which basically told the background of how the Stones were originally a purist blues band and Jones was very much in control - until Mick and Keith started writing the pop hits at which point the writing was on the wall with Jones struggling to find his place. Fantastic multi-instrumentalist who contributed to the songs (flute parts on Ruby Tuesday etc...) but it wasn't enough. Once he couldn't get into America it was all over.

Tragic story - some of it was self inflicted - but other stuff was out of his control. 

It's clear Wyman was the closest friend Jones had in the band - I know he's old now but you wouldn't recognise him if you passed him in the street these days!

Offset

CaseOfAce said:

It's clear Wyman was the closest friend Jones had in the band - I know he's old now but you wouldn't recognise him if you passed him in the street these days!

Holy bollocks!  I just Googled Wyman - he's unrecognisable!

BluesLover

hollywoodrox said:

Is that the title ,I’m not allowed to watch iPlayer but could probably download it from somewhere

Yes, that is the title

lovestrat74

Offset said:

CaseOfAce said:

It's clear Wyman was the closest friend Jones had in the band - I know he's old now but you wouldn't recognise him if you passed him in the street these days!

Holy bollocks!  I just Googled Wyman - he's unrecognisable!

If he dyed his hair he'd get back in the band no problem

RobDavies

Offset said:

CaseOfAce said:

It's clear Wyman was the closest friend Jones had in the band - I know he's old now but you wouldn't recognise him if you passed him in the street these days!

Holy bollocks!  I just Googled Wyman - he's unrecognisable!

Must be all those teenage girls have worn him out.   The poor blighter. 

Offset

RobDavies said:

Offset said:

CaseOfAce said:

It's clear Wyman was the closest friend Jones had in the band - I know he's old now but you wouldn't recognise him if you passed him in the street these days!

Holy bollocks!  I just Googled Wyman - he's unrecognisable!

Must be all those teenage girls have worn him out.   The poor blighter. 

It's like The Picture Of Dorian Gray, but in reverse.

Philly_Q

lovestrat74 said:

Offset said:

CaseOfAce said:

It's clear Wyman was the closest friend Jones had in the band - I know he's old now but you wouldn't recognise him if you passed him in the street these days!

Holy bollocks!  I just Googled Wyman - he's unrecognisable!

If he dyed his hair he'd get back in the band no problem

I had to Google... I think he's still recognisable, he's just got a bit podgy, like most old men.  He'd look a bit out of place in the Stones now because they're all so scrawny... all those years of appetite suppressants, perhaps.

Musicwolf

Philly_Q said:

lovestrat74 said:

Offset said:

CaseOfAce said:

It's clear Wyman was the closest friend Jones had in the band - I know he's old now but you wouldn't recognise him if you passed him in the street these days!

Holy bollocks!  I just Googled Wyman - he's unrecognisable!

If he dyed his hair he'd get back in the band no problem

I had to Google... I think he's still recognisable, he's just got a bit podgy, like most old men.  He'd look a bit out of place in the Stones now because they're all so scrawny... all those years of appetite suppressants, perhaps.

He is 86 after all.  Done pretty well to get this far all things considered.

duotone

hollywoodrox said:

Is that the title ,I’m not allowed to watch iPlayer but could probably download it from somewhere

@hollywoodrox ;
I think it’s this one called The Stones and Brian Jones: https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m001m0sm/the-stones-and-brian-jones

Also there is one on Netflix that I have been meaning to watch, but still haven’t seen called Rolling Stone: Life and Death of Brian Jones —> https://www.imdb.com/title/tt10229846/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1

hollywoodrox

duotone said:

hollywoodrox said:

Is that the title ,I’m not allowed to watch iPlayer but could probably download it from somewhere

@hollywoodrox ;
I think it’s this one called The Stones and Brian Jones: https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m001m0sm/the-stones-and-brian-jones

Also there is one on Netflix that I have been meaning to watch, but still haven’t seen called Rolling Stone: Life and Death of Brian Jones —> https://www.imdb.com/title/tt10229846/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1

Thanks  that’s brilliant ,  I had a book out the library in the early /mid 90s about Brian jones death 
it was quite interesting 

Redlester

duotone said:

hollywoodrox said:

Is that the title ,I’m not allowed to watch iPlayer but could probably download it from somewhere

@hollywoodrox ;;
I think it’s this one called The Stones and Brian Jones: https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m001m0sm/the-stones-and-brian-jones

Also there is one on Netflix that I have been meaning to watch, but still haven’t seen called Rolling Stone: Life and Death of Brian Jones —> https://www.imdb.com/title/tt10229846/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1

The Netflix doc is not bad, but the major point of departure with the BBC doc is that it goes into more detail about what may have happened the night that Jones died. 

I read an interview with Nick Broomfield who made the BBC doc, and he said he'd steer clearer of that kind of speculation. 

Brian Jones...interesting character. Clearly deeply troubled in himself, but a lot of his behaviours were also deeply troubling. I think that had he never been into music and never in the Stones or in the music industry at all, then he'd have had a shot at a happier, longer, more fulfilling life. I think his parents effectively kicking him out at 16 had a massively negative impact. 

Clearly a magical musician, though, so the trade off is we have something of a musical legacy to remember him by. 

I watched the first 15 minutes, but stopped. I think of all the sad early deaths after difficult lives that have punctuated popular music over the decades, this is the one of those that gives me most pause for thought and that I find most troubling.  

Funkfingers

Second chance to see the Broomfield documentary this evening, BBC2, 2315.

relic245

Just watched the Brian Jones one.

Exciting, nostalgic and very sad all at the same time.

guitars4you

recorded and only got round to watching it last night - Thoroughly enjoyed it - Sad as well and to see how much his good lucks had deteriorated over the last 2/3 years of his life - Did not realise he had 6 illegitimate children

Read the Andrew Loog Oldham book and there was a lot of chat in their about how he plus Keef and Mick wrestled the band away from Brian - Both with song writing, publishing deals etc 

jonnyburgo

I watched it, was very good, so sad that he was so insecure. He was a bit of a twat as well though.

Funkfingers

guitars4you said:

Read the Andrew Loog Oldham book and there was a lot of chat in there about how he plus Keef and Mick wrestled the band away from Brian - Both with song writing, publishing deals etc 

Recording endless Blues purist-approved cover versions would not have been very lucrative.

The Beatles soon shifted from their Hamburg setlist to self-composed material. Oldham could tell that this was the correct business model.

Redlester said:

Clearly, a magical musician

Certainly, a great imitator. Not so strong on innovation or yer actual songwriting.

Blueingreen

Funkfingers said:

Certainly, a great imitator. Not so strong on innovation or yer actual songwriting.

I wonder.  I suspect a lot of people will recognise the situation where you're in an original material band and one or two individuals have already got a head start on being the band's songwriters.  That gives them power, and they will be tempted to preserve that power by freezing out other peoples' ideas.  Whether they use it in that way will be a question of character and Mick and Keith were both aggressive, me-first personalities. They had the backing of Loog Oldham who decided his interests were best served by undermining Brian, and he was an even more unscrupulously selfish person.

I suspect by the time Mick and Keef had written a couple of hits the chances of Brian getting a song accepted by the band would have been close to zero, no matter how good it was.  By the time Mick Taylor came along Jagger basically just stole his ideas and used them without giving credit.