I was in an aborted takeoff!

ICBM

Emp_Fab said:

I've never discovered what happens if you get an engine failure between V1 and V2.

Concorde.

A large fuel leak and a fire didn't help either, but they had no choice but to try to take off even with two engines down because they were already past V1.

Gassage

Some Aircraft trivia quizzy questions...

1. Which airliner is the most lethal in terms of people killed per people carried?
2. Is the following statement true- Flying is 10 times safer than driving. Please state why.
3. Re automatic landing- which was the first plane to have a fully automated landing system?
4. Which aircrafts are the second and third most lethal in terms of people killed per miles flown?

holnrew

I can't relax during take off and landing, I seem to be affected by the forces more than most people, especially on take off. When the wheels leave the runway my guts seem to gather around my anus.

I'm glad you're ok, must have been a bit of a rush.

scrumhalf

The thing about aircraft and faults is that very few of us know enough about them to understand the number of things that can go wrong and have no effect. I remember having dinner with a couple of commercial pilots who listed what sort of things can malfunction, from what they were saying a plane could have nothing but the toilets flushing properly and still land safely. (Alcohol may have dimmed the memory of that evening somewhat.)

We understand that cars stay on the ground so that when something goes wrong we generally remain on the ground.

When a plane goes "wrong" my first thought is "what's keeping us up here".

Gassage

As no-one is playing I'll gove you the answers:

1. Concorde.
2. Yes, providing measured on miles travelled. If measured in cycles (numbers of journeys) then it's 4 times more dangerous.
3. Lookheed L1011 Tristar
4. Comet and Fokker 70/100 series.

bluechargeboy

I was thinking that (1) must be some plane of which only a small number was built!

I briefly worked with some aviation lawyers and it was quite disturbing to hear them correctly guess what fault brought a particular type of plane down.

Sambostar

Concorde always makes me cry.  You watch as they had no choice and were doomed to fail.  The fact that a massive corporate conspiracy surrounds the last years of Concorde, most of which has been validated sends even more shivers down your spine.

ICBM

Gassage said:

1. Concorde.

The interesting thing is that until the crash, it was the safest in terms of most miles flown for zero fatalities. Which goes to show that when the sample size is small enough, statistics become meaningless.

The truth is that for all its engineering brilliance, it was never really a safe design - just that few enough were ever made that the danger didn't show up for a long time.

I was on the one at East Fortune recently, and it's quite a surprise how rough it looks in many ways. Very obviously 60s technology - and unlike other aircraft of the same era, it was never updated to the same extent. It's tiny inside and not at all luxurious either - the speed was the only prestige factor.

Sambostar said:

Concorde always makes me cry.  You watch as they had no choice and were doomed to fail.

It's sad that if they had made the 'wrong' choice by the normal rules and aborted the take-off, they would have overshot the end of the runway and still crashed, but possibly not killing everyone on board and definitely not killing four people in the hotel it hit. Hindsight...

Gassage

I was very lucky to fly on Concorde around 20 times. My ex's sister was CSD on it for a number of years and we got buddies and ID90 fares. Used to cost us about £400 to US. Then of course 911 fucked all that for a time.

So many memories- the sign that told you when you got to Mach 1 and 2 and the noise when it got out of restricted airspace. And the Concorde lounge and its amazing crustless cucumber sarnies.

We bought 4 double rows of seats when it was decommissioned and they are still in my ex's reception area.

VimFuego

only been in one aborted landing, was pretty much last minute as well, in fact I think some of the passengers had almost got to passport control. Still, all safe in the end

paulk

I'll be honest OP, I would have shat myself.

ICBM

Never been in an aborted landing but have been in a really scary one. Landing at Pisa having flown over the Alps in terrible weather, severe turbulence most of the way, and on final approach when we were about fifty feet above the end of the runway with the wings going up and down in crosswinds we hit an air pocket and dropped about forty feet, then about a second later hit the ground very hard. Not funny at all, I threw up out of a mixture of having been feeling ill the whole way and sheer fright - luckily I already had the bag out because of feeling bad beforehand. There was a lot of screaming in the cabin - even the captain sounded shaky on the intercom when he apologised for the landing.

VimFuego

worst thing (flying wise) I've experienced is a combat helicopter insertion (ooer missus) at night, where you're happily flying along at whatever hundred feet then they suddenly drop the whirly bird to the deck, halting the descent right at the last minute. By crackey that gives some weird sensations.

viz

My mate was on a 20 seater from somewhere in India to somewhere in Russia, and the co-pilot came out to use the lavatory at the back, and then the driver dude came out to say hello to the passengers and the cabin door clicked shut behind him so he and the co-pilot had to bash their way back into the cockpit with an axe while the passengers looked on.

bluechargeboy

Well, nobody screamed during my adventure so it can't have been that bad! Instead everyone did that anticipatory stillness that us mammals do when shit might be about to go down.

markblack

I aways got on planes like busses, flew at least once a month. Had an aborted landing in the high winds a Christmas and have hated flying ever sense. Especially flying out of City Airport. Also ever sense my Mrs has been pregnant I hated flying even more, not sure if that's a new sense of responsibility  anyone else have that?

Did read a couple of books as it occurred to me I knew nothing about how it all works. Ask the Pilot and the BA book. Have to say they helped a bit, still not keen on flying but fingers crossed I'll get over it.

The books if anyones intrested.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Ask-Pilot-Patrick-Smith/dp/1594480044/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1414962641&sr=8-2&keywords=ask+the+pilot

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Flying-Confidence-proven-programme-flying/dp/0091947855/ref=pd_sim_b_1?ie=UTF8&refRID=1T0AAJ74BCM34VW3CHGQ

Antique_Guitars

Emp_Fab;400316" said:

Crazy

Bellycaster

Bloody hell, what a nightmare experience. I've become more nervous about Air Travel as I've gotten older. I would not want to be in that situation.

All's well though.

Evilmags

Had a high speed landing after they had to dump the fuel when the flaps would not come out. Fucking terrified.

Emp_Fab

Gassage said:

As no-one is playing I'll gove you the answers:

1. Concorde.
2. Yes, providing measured on miles travelled. If measured in cycles (numbers of journeys) then it's 4 times more dangerous.
3. Lookheed L1011 Tristar
4. Comet and Fokker 70/100 series.

I challenge your number 3 answer.  I say it was the Hawker Siddeley Trident with it's pioneering Autoland system.

Edit: I stand corrected, it was actually the French SE210 Caravelle that was first certified for CAT III auto-landings.