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I have a Friedman Runt 20 and a 2*12 Marshall cab, it's insanely loud and will take a pedal or two without mushing out. It also has a really stark clean channel that's loud as you like as well, can't see you'd need much more these days. Especially as they keep making stages quieter.
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I play in a rock/pop covers band, and I used my backup amp, an Orange Terror Stamp, last night for a large pub gig after my usual amp (a Vox AC15C1, nominally 15 watts output) died on me. The Terror Stamp is rated at 20 watts and it totally did the job.
I gigged in a cover band (rock/punk/new-wave) with a 30w Hayden Mofo and still found it was too loud for most pub/function room venues un-mic'ed. You still have to turn them up a bit for decent tone. Always having to turn it down and put up with a tone I didn't really like. Another guy in the band used a Marshall Origin 20 head for a while and found the same thing.
It's partly down to the fact that venues and audiences don't really want bands to be properly loud anymore. I played a metal festival (largeish indoor venue, large stage, pro PA) and had to turn my amp head down from the volume we usually rehearse at. I watched several other bands that day/evening and found that you could quite comfortably hold a conversation while bands were playing. 20-30 years ago you wouldn't have had a chance of exchanging anything other than the odd word.
So, yeah it should be plenty, presuming we're talking about 20w valve. Class D I would probably say around 80 watts.
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Try a 15w Matchless - it'll blow the lintels out...
A lot of the newer models have line outs, IR, or cab sims so can go DI but that's not an option I currently have, I'm looking at just being me and an amp for now but may go the other routes further down the line once my new band gets going. The cab could always get mic'd up of course.
So a 20w valve head and a V30 or Creamback might be doable?
But otherwise, yes, a 20w valve head and 1x12 cab with your preferred speaker will do the job.
The cab and the sensitivity of the speaker makes a difference .... I used a large 1 X 12 with a Celestion Lead 75 in it
Tone King Falcon Grande 20w No. Breaks up a bit earlier
Deluxe Reverb 20, Yes..but It does break up a bit past 5/6 on the volume
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Yes to both of those and with ample clean headroom, too. Decent transformers and cabs, a Tone Tubby and Mesa boogie, respectively.
My new band is rock/grunge but I love the Mesa Rectifier hi gain sound so would want that for my own shits and giggles. And a clean clean.
.octatonic said: I'm sure ......had a Lightning 2x12 ......that was louder than bandmates Marshall 50w
A Dr Z wreck 30 is as loud as most 100 watters .........an AC30 is also crushingly loud