So these 2015 Gibsons with that logo....

Bidley

I had to Google what all the fuss is about.

Some people need to get a grip.

jd0272

Bidley said:

I had to Google what all the fuss is about.

Some people need to get a grip.

Purple then???

RaymondLin

rlw said:

ICBM said:

hobbio said:

ICBM said:

I just don't like new for the sake of it when the new thing does not offer a genuine improvement

But the g-force system does offer a genuine improvement, it allows automatic tuning of the guitar to various different tunings.

I accept that is useful to some players, in the same way as the ability to use the trem to extremes and have it come back perfectly in tune is useful to Floyd Rose users.

Should all guitars have Floyd Roses? Of course not. They have other major disadvantages for players who don't need or want that ability.

I'm all for automatic tuning systems as an option for players who want it. But as a standard fitting for anyone who doesn't need it - no, because it adds cost, unreliability and potential built-in obsolescence.

At least if the G-Force does fail and you can't get the bits you can go manual so the instrument will still work.

And despite my enthusiasm for it, it does seem to disagree with my Korg Pitchblack a little which is amusing if nothing else.

I do agree that the some of the new bits could be judged unnecessary - a bit like rain sensing wipers and lights that come on when it gets dark (both of which I poo-pooed but now use without a thought) - but a logo??????????  Its an anniversary and a big one so it kind of makes sense.

Lol, tell that to the guy who bought a new 2014 LP with mini tune and it died, it wouldn't let him tune it manually:

underdog

Honestly if tokai, Ibanez or even fender had come up with the tuners they'd be seen as a company trying to use technology to help guitarists. I think anything Gibson does is seen as bad, doesn't matter if it's trying something new or staying the same, it will always be moaned about.

I'd love to have seen the reaction to the explorer and flying v when they were first unveiled.

@RaymondLin is that the one where the internal gears of a tuner jammed up? So the system didn't die, the internal parts were or got damaged, and again the parts not made by Gibson but a third party. At best that's a QC issue at the manufacturer.

hobbio

RaymondLin said:

rlw said:

ICBM said:

hobbio said:

ICBM said:

I just don't like new for the sake of it when the new thing does not offer a genuine improvement

But the g-force system does offer a genuine improvement, it allows automatic tuning of the guitar to various different tunings.

I accept that is useful to some players, in the same way as the ability to use the trem to extremes and have it come back perfectly in tune is useful to Floyd Rose users.

Should all guitars have Floyd Roses? Of course not. They have other major disadvantages for players who don't need or want that ability.

I'm all for automatic tuning systems as an option for players who want it. But as a standard fitting for anyone who doesn't need it - no, because it adds cost, unreliability and potential built-in obsolescence.

At least if the G-Force does fail and you can't get the bits you can go manual so the instrument will still work.

And despite my enthusiasm for it, it does seem to disagree with my Korg Pitchblack a little which is amusing if nothing else.

I do agree that the some of the new bits could be judged unnecessary - a bit like rain sensing wipers and lights that come on when it gets dark (both of which I poo-pooed but now use without a thought) - but a logo??????????  Its an anniversary and a big one so it kind of makes sense.

Lol, tell that to the guy who bought a new 2014 LP with mini tune and it died, it wouldn't let him tune it manually:

I though the min-etune didn't prevent manual tuning? 

ICBM

It does if the mechanism breaks.

You don't have to be a Luddite to be worried about that if you play gigs with one.

hobbio

Regular tuners can break too.

I agree that they should give the option to have standard tuners though, but I think it should be that way round. G-force as standard unless you specify it without.

I'd love a set for my Epi, and if I ever get a Gibson I'd pick one that has them if at all possible.

Obviously, this opinion might change once the reports of them spontaneously combusting come to light

gearaddict

That would be me... Yes it just completely jammed. Couldn't play the guitar for a week.

hobbio

Furry muff, that'd piss me off too.

I still want it and stand by that though

sunshinewelly

G force is here to stay. It's a brilliant system.. ok if you live in standard tuning it may not be for you i like to jump between open e, eb, and standard and it's very quick and reliable. I am impressed with the min etune system and imagine the g force system is even better

celentium

I could live with the crap logo, the robot tuners, the weird nut. What I'm struggling with is the 2.5k price tag for a Standard! With all the other options out there at that price (and below actually) I don't think I can justify it.

sunshinewelly

The prices are insane. Same price you can get a new r8 vos. However 2015 studios are remarkably good value for money

rlw

RaymondLin said:

rlw said:

ICBM said:

hobbio said:

ICBM said:

I just don't like new for the sake of it when the new thing does not offer a genuine improvement

But the g-force system does offer a genuine improvement, it allows automatic tuning of the guitar to various different tunings.

I accept that is useful to some players, in the same way as the ability to use the trem to extremes and have it come back perfectly in tune is useful to Floyd Rose users.

Should all guitars have Floyd Roses? Of course not. They have other major disadvantages for players who don't need or want that ability.

I'm all for automatic tuning systems as an option for players who want it. But as a standard fitting for anyone who doesn't need it - no, because it adds cost, unreliability and potential built-in obsolescence.

At least if the G-Force does fail and you can't get the bits you can go manual so the instrument will still work.

And despite my enthusiasm for it, it does seem to disagree with my Korg Pitchblack a little which is amusing if nothing else.

I do agree that the some of the new bits could be judged unnecessary - a bit like rain sensing wipers and lights that come on when it gets dark (both of which I poo-pooed but now use without a thought) - but a logo??????????  Its an anniversary and a big one so it kind of makes sense.

Lol, tell that to the guy who bought a new 2014 LP with mini tune and it died, it wouldn't let him tune it manually:

I mean't that at the end of the day, if the G-Force broke and you couldn't get new parts, you could fit manual tuners so the guitar would not be obsolete through mechanical failure.

rlw

RaymondLin said:

rlw said:

ICBM said:

hobbio said:

ICBM said:

I just don't like new for the sake of it when the new thing does not offer a genuine improvement

But the g-force system does offer a genuine improvement, it allows automatic tuning of the guitar to various different tunings.

I accept that is useful to some players, in the same way as the ability to use the trem to extremes and have it come back perfectly in tune is useful to Floyd Rose users.

Should all guitars have Floyd Roses? Of course not. They have other major disadvantages for players who don't need or want that ability.

I'm all for automatic tuning systems as an option for players who want it. But as a standard fitting for anyone who doesn't need it - no, because it adds cost, unreliability and potential built-in obsolescence.

At least if the G-Force does fail and you can't get the bits you can go manual so the instrument will still work.

And despite my enthusiasm for it, it does seem to disagree with my Korg Pitchblack a little which is amusing if nothing else.

I do agree that the some of the new bits could be judged unnecessary - a bit like rain sensing wipers and lights that come on when it gets dark (both of which I poo-pooed but now use without a thought) - but a logo??????????  Its an anniversary and a big one so it kind of makes sense.

Lol, tell that to the guy who bought a new 2014 LP with mini tune and it died, it wouldn't let him tune it manually:

I mean't that at the end of the day, if the G-Force broke and you couldn't get new parts, you could fit manual tuners so the guitar would not be obsolete through mechanical failure.

siraxeman

siraxeman

hobbio said:

Regular tuners can break too.

I agree that they should give the option to have standard tuners though, but I think it should be that way round. G-force as standard unless you specify it without.

To me that's exactly what they should do...maybe release some like the 2014 ones ie regular logo n tuners etc...and then release 50% in the new format...and let the buying customers decide where they put their money. I think Gibson might learn something there that is indisputable...proper market research ah tells thee!

gearaddict

GuitarMonkey said:

The 12th fret inlays of the 2014 models were worse

I don't get the hate for the inlays...I'd probably prefer a normal inlay but I kind of quite like it - celebrating the 120th anniversary is kind of cool. It certainly doesn't bother me as much as the kids doodle on the 2015 headstock - the Les Paul script is iconic FFS. Completely mental not to use it.

gearaddict

hobbio said:

Furry muff, that'd piss me off too.

I still want it and stand by that though

I'm a bit unsure on the Min-Etune, having used it for a while. I'm not sure it is tuning terribly accurately. I haven't checked it properly...it just never sounds quite right. 

underdog

gearaddict;526411" said:

hobbio said:

Furry muff, that'd piss me off too.

I still want it and stand by that though





I'm a bit unsure on the Min-Etune, having used it for a while. I'm not sure it is tuning terribly accurately. I haven't checked it properly...it just never sounds quite right. 

There is a way to set it up to tune to your ear (or a tuner) so it does sound in tune.

p90fool

gearaddict said:

hobbio said:

Furry muff, that'd piss me off too.

I still want it and stand by that though

I'm a bit unsure on the Min-Etune, having used it for a while. I'm not sure it is tuning terribly accurately. I haven't checked it properly...it just never sounds quite right. 

I've never used one, but I'm sure I read that it you can set it to different accuracy levels, which affects how quickly it comes up to pitch?