Celebs bleating about Farage & Bozzer quitting...

RandallFlagg

Ewan McGregor, Lily Allen, Charlotte Church, Tarzan Heseltine, all bleating about Farage & Bozzer stepping down and not leading the charge to exit UK from EU and blaming them for the mess.

Jog on...

I voted on what I felt was right in the long run, not what the Leave campaign leaders were chanting. Neither Farage or Johnson were in a position of power to lead the exit from EU and I never expected them to do so, only Cameron was. I guess some people may have voted because of what the leave campaign leaders were spouting, but I was not one. I quite like Bozzer but don't care 2 hoots that he is not running for PM.

So, please don't treat me like some dumb sheep that voted because they said so, I have my own opinion, integrity and voice.

If you want to bleat your sour grapes, consider aiming some at Osborne and Cameron for their negative preacher rhetoric, which may have turned many voters against remain.

ToneControl

celebs should be more careful with their political outbursts, they rarely do it well, most look dumb

blueskunk

How dare folks comment on politics especially if they are "famous"

ICBM

I blame Cameron. Entirely and totally, since although others contributed none of it would have mattered if it hadn't been for his utter incompetence.

Actually I don't think Heseltine was complaining about Boris not leading, I think he was calling him contemptible for helping orchestrate the whole mess and then walking away… not quite the same.

The others I don't care about. They have a right to express their opinion, but why does it matter? I like Ewan McGregor as an actor, not a politician.

Fretwired

Bozzer didn't step down through his own choice. He was shafted - he couldn't get enough support to realistically carry on. And what I love about these celebs is the week before they were bleating about how awful Bozzer would have been as PM and how the country would be led by Farage and his 'Nazi' party. You have thought they'd be pleased they've stepped down.

And Hestletine has a nerve. He should be pointing the finger at Cameron for calling the referendum in the first place and for running the worst, most negative campaign in history. He dragged defeat from the jaws of victory - I always said he was a poor PM.

ThePrettyDamned

You'd have thought at least someone in the leave campaign would have, you know, perhaps drafted a brainstorm of ideas as to how we would actually go about doing it though, right?

Maybe that's why people are a bit miffed.

ESchap

Gove .... his wife ... Rupert Murdoch ..... nothing 'effin changes, when will that dangerous, interfering old tosser pop his clogs and make the world a better place ...

Fretwired

ThePrettyDamned said:

You'd have thought at least someone in the leave campaign would have, you know, perhaps drafted a brainstorm of ideas as to how we would actually go about doing it though, right?

Maybe that's why people are a bit miffed.

I don't think that's entirely fair. I think you'll find Call Me Dave said he'd stay on and then bailed out. Creating a plan will require access to the machinery of government (Dave had it through much of the campaign - Boris and co didn't) and putting a team together that represents both sides in the argument. I don't think the public would have put up with just the Boris, Michael and Nigel show. It's an easy accusation to throw around, but doesn't hold much water. Boris and co would need to talk to the Bank of England, the Treasury, the EU etc .... the process will potentially take years. Better to start on the right foot than a get a Shoot from the hip productions number ..

ThePrettyDamned

Fretwired;1138779" said:

ThePrettyDamned said:

You'd have thought at least someone in the leave campaign would have, you know, perhaps drafted a brainstorm of ideas as to how we would actually go about doing it though, right?



Maybe that's why people are a bit miffed.





I don't think that's entirely fair. I think you'll find Call Me Dave said he'd stay on and then bailed out. Creating a plan will require access to the machinery of government (Dave had it through much of the campaign - Boris and co didn't) and putting a team together that represents both sides in the argument. I don't think the public would have put up with just the Boris, Michael and Nigel show. It's an easy accusation to throw around, but doesn't hold much water. Boris and co would need to talk to the Bank of England, the Treasury, the EU etc .... the process will potentially take years. Better to start on the right foot than a get a Shoot from the hip productions number ..

Yes, that's probably all true, but at least some ideas would have been good right? Or perhaps keeping their jobs to help follow the process through?

Also, whether fair or not, I feel that people are questioning the motives. I mean, they got what they wanted - then quit? Regardless of the complications and complexities involved and whether we understand it fully or not, it looks like a really shitty move.

the_pman28

RandallFlagg said:

Ewan McGregor, Lily Allen, Charlotte Church, Tarzan Heseltine, all bleating about Farage & Bozzer stepping down and not leading the charge to exit UK from EU and blaming them for the mess.

Jog on...

I voted on what I felt was right in the long run, not what the Leave campaign leaders were chanting. Neither Farage or Johnson were in a position of power to lead the exit from EU and I never expected them to do so, only Cameron was. I guess some people may have voted because of what the leave campaign leaders were spouting, but I was not one. I quite like Bozzer but don't care 2 hoots that he is not running for PM.

So, please don't treat me like some dumb sheep that voted because they said so, I have my own opinion, integrity and voice.

If you want to bleat your sour grapes, consider aiming some at Osborne and Cameron for their negative preacher rhetoric, which may have turned many voters against remain.

Out of interest...when you voted to leave, who did you have in mind to lead us out of this mess?

richardhomer

Oh good - a Brexit thread!

Fretwired

ThePrettyDamned said:

Yes, that's probably all true, but at least some ideas would have been good right? Or perhaps keeping their jobs to help follow the process through?

Also, whether fair or not, I feel that people are questioning the motives. I mean, they got what they wanted - then quit? Regardless of the complications and complexities involved and whether we understand it fully or not, it looks like a really shitty move.

Dave the Remainer quit and plunged us into a Tory leadership contest. Farage isn't in Parliament - he's an MEP. It would be unlikely that any Tory-led negotiating team would want a Kipper on board. If fact resigning from UKIP may allow Farage to have a role in the negotiations, although I doubt it as he's spent years winding up Junker and co. He's viewed as toxic in the EU.

Boris is still an MP which is what he was throughout the campaign. He got shafted by Gove and co and couldn't realistically stand for leader of the Tory party and PM. Personally I think he'd be a disaster. It's not up to him whether he's involved in any negotiations.

axisus

We don't need a Brexit voter to run the country. On the contrary, I'd prefer a non-brexit person. The deed is done and now we should get back to having the best equipped politician from the incumbent party taking the nation forward. This will probably not be a back-stabbing power grabbing bastard.

Skipped

I would not call Heseltine a Celeb.

Surely this is about accountabilty? I heard 2 UKIP MEPs on LBC yesterday trying to explain who is accountable when a promised land of milk and honey turns out to be something different.

On the basis of their astonishing, spluttering non answers, it seems that UKIP are unable to answer this question.

What are Boris and Farage accountable for?
What is Accountability?

I reckon:
Sticking around: pretty much essential
Running Away: Not advisable.

Handsome_Chris

Has Bono kicked off yet?

Fretwired

ThePrettyDamned said:

Yes, that's probably all true, but at least some ideas would have been good right? Or perhaps keeping their jobs to help follow the process through?

Also, whether fair or not, I feel that people are questioning the motives. I mean, they got what they wanted - then quit? Regardless of the complications and complexities involved and whether we understand it fully or not, it looks like a really shitty move.

I'm confused. Boris hasn't quit anything. He started out as an MP and he still is an MP. People have said Boris jumped into the Remain camp as he wanted to be PM - that might be true but everyone expected Remain to win, even him so on paper it was an odd strategy. Farage actually said when the polls closed that he thought Remain would win and had to hastily backtrack. Winning probably shocked them both.

Most Tory MPs don't want Boris as leader - he was stabbed in the back by Gove and Cameron who set up an 'anyone but Boris' campaign. And I don't think Boris or Farage would add much to any negotiations with the EU. In fairness to May she has at least negotiated with Brussels in the past. It's about having the best people - Boris lacks experience and judgement.

Bogwhoppit

Handsome_Chris said:

Has Bono kicked off yet?

Not yet, he's still standing on the edge.

Chalky

Er, it was a referendum on whether to leave the EU. It was not a leadership ballot.

The Tories don't want Boris as leader. So what has he done wrong?

Chalky

Bloke next door, woman over the road, barmaid from local, pensioner in the bungalow, all bleating about Farage & Bozzer stepping down and not leading the charge to exit UK from EU and blaming them for the mess.

Just as irrelevant.

Bezzer

Slight aside but a comment that did raise a smile:

"So Farage has stepped down as leader of UKIP but is staying as an MEP, so he's left Leave to remain in the EU"

Slightly facetious I know, but made me chuckle. That's also the last Brexit comment I'm making ... cos it makes me angry and I'd rather be being creative ...

dogload

Everyone is entitled to an opinion. Even you, @RandallFlagg