Say goodbye to your internet privacy

CabbageCat

blobb said:

CabbageCat said:

I'm not spending £30 to stand up against someone with nothing but dangerous motivations taking my freedom away, My freedom, the freedom of my children and the freedom of others is not worth £30. Poor me.

Fixed that for ya ;-)

My freedom is extremely important to me. Much, much more so than my privacy.

The state already takes responsibility for our property, our behaviour and our time with our blessing. Having them also keep an eye on some zeroes and ones as they pass through someone else's computer seems like vanishingly small beans.

digitalscream

CabbageCat said:

blobb said:

CabbageCat said:

I'm not spending £30 to stand up against someone with nothing but dangerous motivations taking my freedom away, My freedom, the freedom of my children and the freedom of others is not worth £30. Poor me.

Fixed that for ya ;-)

My freedom is extremely important to me. Much, much more so than my privacy.

The state already takes responsibility for our property, our behaviour and our time with our blessing. Having them also keep an eye on some zeroes and ones as they pass through someone else's computer seems like vanishingly small beans.

Yes, until you consider that they'll

a) Be selling that data to "selected commercial partners". Do you trust those partners as much as the government trust their money?

b) Be storing that data. Do you trust the government's track record for data security?

Sambostar

Not only this, but Yahoo comments, one of the last bastions of rednecks, trolls and right wing fascists only has Hearts' now.  You can only Heart something, therein you can only like something as you can't thumb it down any more.

It's modern culture and the blazon failure of democracy in action and the rise of the corrupted communist agenda, kids cannot fail any more, kids cannot lose at sports, everyone gets a prize voting systems of the current biased and unfair is put against an even more bias system, Police commissioner elections are held where you can only choose a failed politician. We are all equal but some are more equal than others.

We condemn North Korea whilst kids still sit in UK prisons for decades after committing minor misdemeanours because they are seen an being unfit to release, all because of former policies that aren't even legal any more.

It sucks and frankly, it bloody depressing.

I blame the liberal conservatives who all voted Cameron in, you know who you are, you are the majority and you are the same who wanted us to be governed by Brussels and want cash and cheques to be phased out.  But you'll be the first to moan when they zero your bank account against inflation.

Next thing will be your car insurance premium governed by what sites you look up and a health insurance premium based on what ailments you research online.

We should be able to have firearms to protect ourselves from yourselves.

This isn't what Brits are made of. Money has derided society and community and now you are powerless.

Chalky

Its a sledgehammer to crack a nut. The Intelligence services want the data 'just in case', but mainly to cover their arses.

Then it drops into the 'wouldn't it be useful to know this?' category of lazy judgement. For example "wouldn't it be useful to track all guitar gear sales so we could monitor for stolen goods appearing".  Sounds good. At first. Then think it through - after you started collecting the data who would spend the time and money analysing it? Probably only the taxman looking for someone whose trading pattern suggests they ought to pay tax...

octatonic

Chalky said:

Its a sledgehammer to crack a nut. The Intelligence services want the data 'just in case', but mainly to cover their arses.

Then it drops into the 'wouldn't it be useful to know this?' category of lazy judgement. For example "wouldn't it be useful to track all guitar gear sales so we could monitor for stolen goods appearing".  Sounds good. At first. Then think it through - after you started collecting the data who would spend the time and money analysing it? Probably only the taxman looking for someone whose trading pattern suggests they ought to pay tax...

I don't believe that they will have that level of detail.
They will just have top level information such as the sites you visit.
It won't capture actual data of what you are doing on them- they won't have any data on your transactions.

There is a certain amount of 'security through obscurity' here.
If you don't go to any illegal sites then you'd probably just blend into the noise of everything else.
If they want to audit everyone who visits eBay for instance then they will be auditing a hell of a lot of people.

digitalscream

Sambostar said:

I blame the liberal conservatives who all voted Cameron in, you know who you are

That's a pretty ignorant statement, just twisting the facts to suit your current political perspective. Everything you mentioned started and blossomed under Blair. It wasn't even just Blair's influence - it came from the US too.

The irony? The fact that you've twisted it to fit your political perspective is exactly the problem here. Everybody forgets anything back beyond their hatred of the current people in power.

Even this surveillance bill got its start under Blair. It's effectively the same as the one his government tried to pass, but the technology to do it actually exists now.

octatonic

I've just written a script that searches for nude pictures of Theresa May over and over.

Sporky

Can you do me a version that does the search for Theresa May in a badger costume, but makes it clear that it's even dirtier that way?

octatonic

Here she is:

Sporky

Fnrrrrrrrgh!

Grwooooooooorgh!

Knyaaaaaaarp!

octatonic

Sporky said:

Fnrrrrrrrgh!

Grwooooooooorgh!

Knyaaaaaaarp!

Are you having a stroke?

Sporky

Sorry - Sprocket walked across the keyboard.

ICBM

Sporky said:

Sorry - Sprocket walked across the keyboard.

Always a good excuse when your other half catches you.

Unorthodox

CabbageCat said:

I'm not spending £30 a year to stop someone I don't know knowing which crochet patterns and curry recipes I'm looking at. I'll be a statistic to a stranger. Poor me.

"First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—

Because I was not a Socialist.

...etc"

Thinking that this won't affect you because you have nothing to hide is not really the attitude to take IMO. There will be countless abuses of this, from simple errors to contracted system admins that have access to everything. 

No doubt this is just the first bill of many that will follow to completely crack down on the internet, GCHQ already scoop up everything. Wouldn't be at all surprised in the future that it will be put forward that just having a list of the sites a person visited isn't quite enough for the security of the country.

digitalscream

Unorthodox said:

CabbageCat said:

I'm not spending £30 a year to stop someone I don't know knowing which crochet patterns and curry recipes I'm looking at. I'll be a statistic to a stranger. Poor me.

"First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—

Because I was not a Socialist.

...etc"

Thinking that this won't affect you because you have nothing to hide is not really the attitude to take IMO. There will be countless abuses of this, from simple errors to contracted system admins that have access to everything. 

No doubt this is just the first bill of many that will follow to completely crack down on the internet, GCHQ already scoop up everything. Wouldn't be at all surprised in the future that it will be put forward that just having a list of the sites a person visited isn't quite enough for the security of the country.

The thing is, there's direct evidence for this. We (should) all remember the story of the council who used anti-terror legislation to put full-on surveillance on a family they suspected of applying to put their kid in a school when they might've been outside the catchment area.

Reverend

ICBM said:

octatonic said:

I don't accept the 'nothing to hide' argument- I know ICBM was being ironic but it is a view that some folks have.

Indeed. I couldn't remember the keyboard shortcut for the sarcasm smiley so I just left it in the knowledge that most people around here are intelligent enough to realise .

Sadly there are a lot of people who really believe it though.

I think another  issue is that once the government can get in,  so can others. People smarter than the government and with a better idea of how they can hack on to your Amazon account and score a new telly or use your PayPal 

historyisjunk

@Unorthodox ;;;
Unorthodox said:CabbageCat said:I'm not spending £30 a year to stop someone I don't know knowing which crochet patterns and curry recipes I'm looking at. I'll be a statistic to a stranger. Poor me."First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—Because I was not a Socialist....etc"Thinking that this won't affect you because you have nothing to hide is not really the attitude to take IMO. There will be countless abuses of this, from simple errors to contracted system admins that have access to everything. 
No doubt this is just the first bill of many that will follow to completely crack down on the internet, GCHQ already scoop up everything. Wouldn't be at all surprised in the future that it will be put forward that just having a list of the sites a person visited isn't quite enough for the security of the country


Good points here. I probably won't go VPN, partly because I think it might generate more interest (there's an ISP account here, but no visble data hmmm....)
The problem for me with the "nothing to hide, nothing to fear" justification is it's the Government & it's agents who decide if you've got something to hide, & this can change as their perception of threats changes. A lot of people seem to imagine this will always be reasonable & just apply to "bad" people.

I do understand that the state has a duty to ensure it's own continuity, & by & large think that's in most people's interests. However, the decisions about what are threats to that continuity don't seem to be very well controlled & there are some powerful interests who want a say in those decisions via all those ministries. I'd be very worried on behalf of anyone campaigning against nicotinoid pesticides for example, if DEFRA are allowed to extract information (unfinished business for some in the Government).

We should also be concerned that there will be too much data for current Government agencies to handle & the processing of this data might be handed over to private companies like EDS.

This whole areas is also unfinished business for the PM.
You may remember this- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft_Communications_Data_Bill

Some people may enjoy listening to this- http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01qhb8b
I wouldn't agree with all of Orwell's thinking, but his basic instinct about the somehow intrinsic tendency towards authoritarianism & then totalitarianism at both ends of the political spectrum is admirable. Even more so was his willingness to keep pointing it out.

blobb

Interesting

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/38094076/five-questions-to-prove-youre-a-natural-codebreaker

Using the state propaganda machine to make it an attractive career route. C'mon kids, get involved, we all know it's the kids that can programme the video recorder.

They are not doing this just so they can target relevant advertising at you.

Sambostar

I wouldn't worry it's the Americanisation of the UK, due mainly to liberals and greed.  some We'll go the same way, even if we haven't got the space, same problems,  Soon we'al have sons of singers singing about.....

Sambostar