Return of polio?

chillidoggy · June 2022

VimFuego said:

it's not my favourite biblical plague, so I'll pass and hold out for something more epic.

This deserves a mega LOL.

m_c · June 2022

TeleMaster said:

My father and my uncle had polio. Both were from a small German village and it was decimated by polio in the early 50's.

My father spent three years in bed after contracting it very young and had to learn how to walk again. My uncle is a paraplegic because of it and has no feeling in his legs and never walked again after contracting it.

When the vaccination program for polio started in these areas in Germany they were clamouring to get it for their kids because it was so devastating.

The success of vaccination programs has made people complacent and ignorant. This disease is no joke.

I think this is the key thing.
Anti-vaxxers are mostly of a generation that have never personally seen the devastation of some of these diseases. I've only ever heard my mum (who's now late seventies) speak about having a family relative with Polio, and I've never personally knowingly met anybody who's had Polio, so it would be all to easy to use the justification that it's not a problem, so I don't need vaccinated.

Unfortunately, I suspect it's going to take a major outbreak, so people can see that some of these diseases are still a threat, and the devastation they can have on lives.

TeleMaster · June 2022

m_c said:

TeleMaster said:

My father and my uncle had polio. Both were from a small German village and it was decimated by polio in the early 50's.

My father spent three years in bed after contracting it very young and had to learn how to walk again. My uncle is a paraplegic because of it and has no feeling in his legs and never walked again after contracting it.

When the vaccination program for polio started in these areas in Germany they were clamouring to get it for their kids because it was so devastating.

The success of vaccination programs has made people complacent and ignorant. This disease is no joke.

I think this is the key thing.
Anti-vaxxers are mostly of a generation that have never personally seen the devastation of some of these diseases. I've only ever heard my mum (who's now late seventies) speak about having a family relative with Polio, and I've never personally knowingly met anybody who's had Polio, so it would be all to easy to use the justification that it's not a problem, so I don't need vaccinated.

Unfortunately, I suspect it's going to take a major outbreak, so people can see that some of these diseases are still a threat, and the devastation they can have on lives.

Absolutely. As I said, it's been so successful that people have become complacent, even with their children, because they're from a generation (in the west) who haven't had any real consequences of serious disease.

The health authorities need to come out strong against this because if they don't social media morons will influence an entire generation of people not to get vaccinated or vaccinate their kids and there will be a resurgence of these diseases.

Some of the unvaccinated will be because some people were let down by the authorities. Language barriers, moving often, poor media campaigns etc. But these irresponsible, armchair anti vaxxers and lazy parents will soon change their tune when their kids get seriously sick. Unfortunately that will be too late.

bertie · June 2022

apparently (if its not already been said) according the news now, its likely to have come from someone who has come from "the continent" where they use live strains in the vaccines. Not someone who actually has it.

Danny1969 · June 2022

VimFuego said:

I read a case a few years back of a bloke in the US who died of tetanus, cut his hand up in the garden, went to his docs to get it patched up but refused the vaccine on health grounds (he had an immune system!!!), contracted tetanus and popped his clogs. It resonated with me cos about the same time I cut my hand up pretty badly in the garden, went to the docs to get it all sutured back up but I didn't get tetanus. Cos when they asked if I was vaccinated I said yes, but it was about 30 years ago, so they gave me a booster. No tetanus and absolutely no side effects from the jab either. Tetanus does not look a fun way to die.

I would always get the tetanus but when I was a junior school a kid in my class badly cut his arm rolling down a hill onto some glass. At hospital they have him a tetanus, sadly he had a bad reaction to it and died ... was 11 years old

Very, very rare for this to happen though

hollywoodrox · June 2022

I worked once in the 80s with an old gal who’d had it , she had a leg calliper and o e of those big shoes , another friend who was a radio Ham was wheelchair bound and had to use her spectrum computer with her feet . Worth getting a jab

grungebob · June 2022

I do think the term “ant-vaxers” was deliberately chosen and repeated by corporate media to stigmatise any genuine concerns certain people had not about vaccines themselves but the proposed mandates that came with them.

Most people labelled “ant-vaxers” are/were vaccinated.

It’s true there were some absolute nutters about and it was those that got the most screen time or column inches as it helped stigmatise any genuine concern others had about a mandated medical program.

None of this is related to the polio story but some seem to be mixing the two without a thought.

And I’m specifically talking about the Covid vaccines not any other.

It’s needs to be looked at differently as the whole process and regulations was abridged or placed on hold, in many countries.

TeleMaster · June 2022

grungebob said:

I do think the term “ant-vaxers” was deliberately chosen and repeated by corporate media to stigmatise any genuine concerns certain people had not about vaccines themselves but the proposed mandates that came with them.
Most people labelled “ant-vaxers” are/were vaccinated.

It’s true there were some absolute nutters about and it was those that got the most screen time or column inches as it helped stigmatise any genuine concern others had about a mandated medical program.

None of this is related to the polio story but some seem to be mixing the two without a thought.

No one has mentioned mandates or the political minefield and the conversation around personal choice, or confused them with people who put themselves, their children, their relatives, and the wider public at risk because think they know better than medical professionals because they got their information from some moron on Facebook who livestreams on their phone that's permanently aimed at their nostrils.

I'm the first person to agree that everyone should (generally) have personal freedom to chose what they do with their body if they can give informed consent. But if someone refuses to vaccinate their child against bloody polio, an awful disease that destroys children's lives, or any other disease, and claims 'mandates' when there are no mandates, they are anti vaxxers using other stuff as an excuse not to get the vaccine. So yea, those concerned with 'mandates' who refuse to get vaccinated are often anti vaxxers because if you weren't, you'd get the vaccine and then fight the personal liberty battle.

Cols · June 2022

grungebob said:

I do think the term “ant-vaxers” was deliberately chosen and repeated by corporate media to stigmatise any genuine concerns certain people had not about vaccines themselves but the proposed mandates that came with them.
Most people labelled “ant-vaxers” are/were vaccinated.

As one of the forum’s more enthusiastic supporters of the benefits of vaccines, I do have to clarify that I’m not in favour of enforced vaccination for ants.

usedtobe · June 2022

I think if you weigh up the risks and benefits, you’d most likely get your kids vaccinated..

BlueStrat · June 2022

Some things need to be mandated for the greater good.

Vaccines are one of them.

My elderly uncle had polio when he was a child. Believe me when I say the impact of the disease is life destroying

thebreeze · June 2022

grungebob said:

I do think the term “ant-vaxers” was deliberately chosen and repeated by corporate media to stigmatise any genuine concerns certain people had not about vaccines themselves but the proposed mandates that came with them.
Most people labelled “ant-vaxers” are/were vaccinated.

It’s true there were some absolute nutters about and it was those that got the most screen time or column inches as it helped stigmatise any genuine concern others had about a mandated medical program.

None of this is related to the polio story but some seem to be mixing the two without a thought.
And I’m specifically talking about the Covid vaccines not any other.
It’s needs to be looked at differently as the whole process and regulations was abridged or placed on hold, in many countries.

I generally agree. The term “anti vaxer” has been co-opted as a convenient term to quash any thinking that might question anything to do with vaccinations. I mean if you’re curious that there might be other reasons that diseases are making a comeback other than a small percentage are deciding not to have one, you’re labelled an anti vaxer. Or that natural immunity might be being compromised because of blanket vaccinations, rather like the crisis in antibiotics, then you’re an anti vaxer or an idiot.

Despite some great benefits we’re encouraged to believe they’re a panacea eternally. I’m not convinced nature works like that.

https://dailysceptic.org/2022/06/22/covid-vaccines-more-likely-to-put-you-in-hospital-than-keep-you-out-bmj-editors-analysis-of-pfizer-and-moderna-trial-data-finds/

donbot · June 2022

It’s probably worth remembering that there haven’t been any polio cases in the UK. They have just detected the virus (derived from live vaccine) in London sewerage treatment plants.

It’s also worth noting that they quite frequently find vaccine derived polio in sewerage. It didn’t usually get reported but after covid the media loves to scare us a little with every virus related story they can.

Still, make sure you’re family is vaccinated.

hollywoodrox · June 2022

I love my parents so much but I wish they were not so right wing
my mum said today “it’s Asians & blackies bought it in “
Her and my dad blame everything on foreigners and migrants . Eg it’s foreigners fault we can’t get operations etc . I try to tell them it’s the terrible conservative government but they go rabid & won’t hear a word against Johnson . Funny thing is they are the type of poor pensioners that would benefit from a socialist government . My mum reads nonsense on the internet and then
spouts out even more. The other day she said “there’s 85 000 migrants coming in each day .
I feel terribly disloyal for sharing this but I just have to let it go over my head as if I argue it ends up really bad and I love them very much , but every so often I feel like I wanna explode . It’s purely pointless to argue with them as they’ll just make stuff up .

siremoon · June 2022

hollywoodrox said:

I love my parents so much but I wish they were not so right wing
my mum said today “it’s Asians & blackies bought it in “
Her and my dad blame everything on foreigners and migrants . Eg it’s foreigners fault we can’t get operations etc . I try to tell them it’s the terrible conservative government but they go rabid & won’t hear a word against Johnson . Funny thing is they are the type of poor pensioners that would benefit from a socialist government . My mum reads nonsense on the internet and then
spouts out even more. The other day she said “there’s 85 000 migrants coming in each day .
I feel terribly disloyal for sharing this but I just have to let it go over my head as if I argue it ends up really bad and I love them very much , but every so often I feel like I wanna explode . It’s purely pointless to argue with them as they’ll just make stuff up .

Nice rant. I've lived through a number of Conservative and Labour governments and this just in for those with political tunnel vision. The NHS was just as bad under Labour (and that's without Covid as an excuse). Anyone with a short memory expecting a huge improvement should there be a change of Government is in for a shock. You'll do fine if you fancy a well paid non-job in NHS middle management though.

Strain on housing stock, infrastructure and public services is a function of money available and population. Anyone who thinks that unlimited immigration has no effect on the population side of the equation relative to organic growth really isn't very bright. If you're going to allow unlimited immigration then you need to fund those things to the necessary level. Labour Governments haven't done that so far in my lifetime and almost certainly won't in the future. It would be almost worth having a Labour Government so that the young can have some of their misconceptions about how everything will be utopian blown to smithereens. The trouble with not wanting to look at history is that the shock when the grass turns out not to be greener is much bigger. A lot of wide eyed yet myopic people are going to have that shock at some point.

ThePrettyDamned · June 2022

Wasn't there a report that showed a lot of anti-vax movement was being funded from really, really friendly places who have our best interests at heart?

Like Russia and China?

Axe_meister · June 2022

The thing is the conservative government (In power for 12 years) had the ability to control immigration even before we left the EU, but didn't. we now have a very low unemployment figure (3.7%) but not enough workers in hospitality, agriculture, etc.
The right to buy scheme did not result in more social housing being built it was just a way of providing the cash to fund more tax cuts.
The current conservative government is the government of the 1%, not longer the government of the middle classes and the small businesses.
Actually this country was doing very well under the last Labour government, unfortunately we had a global economic crash due to the know nd of policies the conservative government is trying to implement in the UK, i.e. a new right to buy even if you are on benefits (sub prime market crash here we come). It will not work unless we have affordable housing. Who is going to build those houses without immigration?

Snap · June 2022

bertie said:

apparently (if its not already been said) according the news now, its likely to have come from someone who has come from "the continent" where they use live strains in the vaccines. Not someone who actually has it.

Yep, it's the usual shower of sh media hype that gets a hyper sensitised public all antsy.

Same with this monkeypox palaver. That doesn't even make people that ill!

bertie · June 2022

Snap said:

Same with this monkeypox palaver. That doesn't even make people that ill!

indeed, gibbon all the hype you'd have though it was much worse

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