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@mrkb - well that should stimulate a bit of discussion
I like them both, but for different reasons.
I would like to hear the first album with a different production….I know it would probably lose as much as it would gain, but still.
For me the Roses as a band are a little overrated but the individual musicians, quite underrated, Squire and Reni in particular.
DIY is a great record that suffered not being a Stone Roses record. At the time there was SO much hype on it. I was at their (The Seahorses) second gig in a small club in Greenock (nr Glasgow, West of Scotland) and saw a big guitar hero of mine play his 3 pickup Custom about 10ft away. A huge impression left, plus they kicked the arse right out of Love Is The Law and no one knew it!
I think in terms of layering and overall work the first album is probably up there. Not too little, not too much. Second Coming was the geetar album though and for me untouchable even if it wasn't for the baggy jeans majority. Daybreak is their best for me - that has so much time and groove other acts in that genre could never get in a million years.
In terms of albums, always thought they really stood at 4 albums but only 2 being released. There should have been one before the first (aka Garage Flowers), the official first, then an album in between that and The SC (stuff along the lines of Somethings Burning) then The SC.
Don't be sad it's over, be grateful it ever happened at all eh?
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Im a guitarist not a druggie so first album is too slow - "sugar spun sister" and "shoot you down", - slow and boring, "Dont stop" - play the last song backward cop out, "Elizabeth my dear" - crap filler.
Where as second album has great melodic texture and awesome guitar riffs.
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Stone Roses is superior to me (no drugs, a few fruit ciders) but Second Coming sure has its moments.
When they released Love Spreads, ahead of the album dropping, I remember seeing it described as 'John Squire's first solo single' (in the NME?) and I think that felt like the saddest thing about the album, compounded by Reni then leaving and being replaced for the tour.
Do It Yourself was fun in parts, but definitely an anticlimax for me and felt less like a band and more a vanity project. I did enjoy his first actual solo album though. I wasn't as put off by his singing as some were and thought there was some great songwriting and beautiful, understated playing on it.
But don't feel sorry for us long-term Roses fans. Their positive impact on my life was almost overwhelming. They made me love music. And don't forget it wasn't just about the albums; singles and B-sides like Fool's Gold, What the World is Waiting For, One Love, Standing Here etc made a refreshing change from that 80s/90s trend of 'release and album, then release virtually everything on it as a single'. They soundtracked my youth. Amazing.
Someone will be along with that clip from Shawn Of The Dead in a minute......
I assume that variation-on-a-d riff will bring ye old house down...
For long widdly guitar solo's then the second one may be the guitarist choice.
Rave on !
His vocal is incredible too!!
I know I'm supposed to worship Johnny Marr indie guitar hero wise but I much prefer JS, he has a lovely fluid feel and just sounds more harmonically interesting to me. Morrissey was the genius of The Smith's to me although I'm not a fan of him as a person.
SR album wise I prefer the first album purely because the songs are so strong. It's a strangle album production wise, coming out of the late eighties into the unknown ... oddly enough the over egged reverb on the lead vocal is kinda back in fashion again with the likes of Tame Impala but it was odd at the time.
I get to play Love is the law, Made of stone, IATR now and then and always admire the parts as I play them because they are superbly crafted parts.