Good small keyboards or modules for Rhodes/Wurlitzer and organ sounds

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As per the title really, I'd love to find a small form but good sounding keyboard (or sound module for midi) that covers the very few sounds I'd want. At present I have a Microkorg which for various reasons does not do what I'd want, horrible small keys, no real organ or piano sounds, no sustain pedal etc.

So my spec would be the following, though having looked through quite a lot of googling I'm not sure this exists as such so would appreciate any other ideas:

Small, three or four octaves would be fine. I don't have the space for anything bigger.

Good Rhodes/Wurlitzer epiano sounds (Riders on the Storm) and organ sounds (any doors!)

Sustain pedal possibility for the epiano. 

Proper sized keys. Those crap small ones like on the Microkorg and Reface ones are unplayable.

Not software plug in based. Too many wires

In terms of quality, the keys on the old Yamaha keyboard I have in the loft are sufficient, i don't need anything magic, the sound is more important.

I don't have a midi keyboard but obviously would get one if I go for a module.

Annnnd go :) 

Thanks all

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  • CabicularCabicular Frets: 2020
    Main stage for the mac and a midi keyboard?
    cme 49
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  • bbill335bbill335 Frets: 517
    Couldn't you control a Reface (which sound really nice imo) with a keyboard that has nice big keys?
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  • thecolourboxthecolourbox Frets: 2300
    Cabicular said:
    Main stage for the mac and a midi keyboard?
    cme 49
    I don't want to include a computer/software as that would be too many cables to trip over and plug in every time

    bbill335 said:
    Couldn't you control a Reface (which sound really nice imo) with a keyboard that has nice big keys?
    Theoretically yes but buying two of those plus a controller negates the point of keeping it small, and also for that money I could probably get a proper one

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  • CabicularCabicular Frets: 2020
    I use a Puck and wireless midi into the Mac or iPad depending on what I'm gigging. It depends how picky you are about the sounds, if you want a good workhorse the Roland Junos or Motif MX49 both have decent engines behind them. I know the motif stuff better from the stuff I did with Yamaha and the pianos and organs are excellent.
    I wouldn't go down this route though without trying them


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  • thecolourboxthecolourbox Frets: 2300
    Thanks Cabicular though sadly neither of those come in a small version by the looks of things (though I could be wrong)

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  • CabicularCabicular Frets: 2020
    Mx 49 is a 49 key version (I have a bit of a problem with it as he keys are slightly narrower than standard) 
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  • thecolourboxthecolourbox Frets: 2300
    edited January 9
    Yeah I know, it's too wide sadly, and if the keys are not proper sized that's not going to help either add I'm used to proper piano sized ones

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  • Winny_PoohWinny_Pooh Frets: 1990
    Its a Nord or a controller. You know this already.
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  • blobbblobb Frets: 471
    Would a used KS4 do the trick? It's a synth but I was noodling with the organ on my rack last night [fnaar] and it was ok. You could tweak it and/or add a rotary pedal. I was running mine through a space echo for added depth.

    Just a thought.

    http://www.vintagesynth.com/novation/ks45r.php

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  • thecolourboxthecolourbox Frets: 2300
    Cheers Blobb I'll certainly look into that yes, rack based could work.

    Winny_pooh in aware the Nord ones are the best yes but they don't do anything to fit the size spec, that's why I'm asking for other options as I'm willing to compromise on the sound a bit more than on the physical size and the size of the keys

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  • olafgartenolafgarten Frets: 1234
    Have you seen the Alesis VX49 and M-Audio CTRL-49? They are both 49 Key, around £300 and can play any VSTi Plugin.
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  • thecolourboxthecolourbox Frets: 2300
    edited January 10
    They play VSTs on the keyboard only without plugging into a computer? That sounds neat?

    Edit: @olafgarten they seem to just be midi controllers for a computer from a quick Google?

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  • goldtopgoldtop Frets: 556
    Cheers Blobb I'll certainly look into that yes, rack based could work.

    Winny_pooh in aware the Nord ones are the best yes but they don't do anything to fit the size spec, that's why I'm asking for other options as I'm willing to compromise on the sound a bit more than on the physical size and the size of the keys
    Nord Electro is available small desktop/rack size so you can use with a small controller keyboard:



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  • thecolourboxthecolourbox Frets: 2300
    goldtop said:
    Cheers Blobb I'll certainly look into that yes, rack based could work.

    Winny_pooh in aware the Nord ones are the best yes but they don't do anything to fit the size spec, that's why I'm asking for other options as I'm willing to compromise on the sound a bit more than on the physical size and the size of the keys
    Nord Electro is available small desktop/rack size so you can use with a small controller keyboard:


    Bang yes! that is the kind of thing. I shall see about selling my amp I think to get the one on ebay...

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  • olafgartenolafgarten Frets: 1234
    They play VSTs on the keyboard only without plugging into a computer? That sounds neat?

    Edit: @olafgarten they seem to just be midi controllers for a computer from a quick Google?

    Sorry, it looks like you are right, slightly misleading when they say you can load your Vst onto the keyboard though. 
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  • thecolourboxthecolourbox Frets: 2300
    Yeah you're right it does read that way, shame as that would be ideal wouldn't it

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  • steamabacussteamabacus Frets: 877
    @thecolourbox ; I remember reading in Sound On Sound (some years ago now) of a single rack unit that you could load vst instruments/effects into and control by midi. I'm afraid I don't remember what it was called though - not really my area of interest but my engineer/producer mate was very excited about it at the time being as he came from a background of hardware samplers and rack gear.It might be worth a search of the SoS review archives?
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  • goldtopgoldtop Frets: 556
    Muse Receptor allows loading of plug-ins - http://www.museresearch.com/products/receptor-features.php - but they got out of the hardare business. Roland VariOS was another that was shortlived. Hard products to explain and harder to sell.

    There's also this marvellously odd thing: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MINT-Open-Labs-Miko-Workstation-DAW-Studio-Synthesiser-Studio-Keyboard-Neko-VST-/152390892896?hash=item237b347d60:g:PyoAAOSwEzxYdOog


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  • olafgartenolafgarten Frets: 1234
    It does look like a Laptop is your best bet, it would need power to the Laptop and then a USB Midi Cable to the keyboard. Most MIDI Controllers can be powered through the USB Cable including the ones I linked before. To get the sound out it would probably be worth investing in an Interface but you can get something really small for that.
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  • thecolourboxthecolourbox Frets: 2300
    goldtop said:
    Muse Receptor allows loading of plug-ins - http://www.museresearch.com/products/receptor-features.php - but they got out of the hardare business. Roland VariOS was another that was shortlived. Hard products to explain and harder to sell.

    I'll look out for that one but seems a bit out of price range in the UK - will save the ebay search though as that'd be ideal.

    It does look like a Laptop is your best bet, it would need power to the Laptop and then a USB Midi Cable to the keyboard. Most MIDI Controllers can be powered through the USB Cable including the ones I linked before. To get the sound out it would probably be worth investing in an Interface but you can get something really small for that.
    I think to be honest if using only a computer for it is the only option I'll probably just leave it entirely and focus on a different instrument (fancying mandola with an ebow or a clarinet)

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  • LuminousLuminous Frets: 153
    My problem here is, what if the question was " Guitar needed must be smaller than normal but be able to respond to big key licks? " Horses for courses, you want to be able to play great keyboard parts? dont skimp on the instrument
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  • thecolourboxthecolourbox Frets: 2300
    edited January 14
    I'm not trying to scrimp as such I just want something that's not very big - there are plenty of controllers that are the right size so there's clearly a percieved need for that size of keyboard, just that I am not finding one with the sounds built in at the same size.

    I scrimped when I bought the Microkorg which is rubbish hence why I'm trying to get it right this time

    It's going to have to fit on top of a 77cm wide drawer unit with other bits and bobs so that's why there is a size restriction. Plus for epiano and organ style playing I don't feel there is a desperate need for many octaves to be honest. I've got a piano for when I want to play proper piano music with more octaves

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  • CabicularCabicular Frets: 2020
    Why not just get a jv1010 then 
    great wee modules
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  • thecolourboxthecolourbox Frets: 2300
    Cabicular said:
    Why not just get a jv1010 then 
    great wee modules
    Yes its looking like that might be the way forward if I go for it, something like that kind of thing

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  • CabicularCabicular Frets: 2020
    I've got one somewhere so give me a shout if you want and I can look it out
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  • MossMoss Frets: 2386
    Don't know if you're still looking, but this looks interesting

    https://www.thomann.de/gb/ferrofish_b4000.htm?glp=1&gclid=CPmh7p7w-9ECFce37QodqZEAzw
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  • thecolourboxthecolourbox Frets: 2300
    Moss said:
    Don't know if you're still looking, but this looks interesting

    https://www.thomann.de/gb/ferrofish_b4000.htm?glp=1&gclid=CPmh7p7w-9ECFce37QodqZEAzw
    Thanks for thinking of me on this, yes I have seen those (there's one in the classfieds at the moment in fact) and they do seem on paper to be excellent, only problem is that I'd still have to find a similar unit for piano and a controller, by which time i'd probably be more economically sound going for one that does all the sounds.

    But I shall certainly be considering it yes :) thanks again

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