School me on Gibraltar

Drew_TNBD

^ Dunno. I think he's pretty spot on to be honest.

Fretwired

Love the comments about Empire 2.0 .. it's actually Empire 5.0 ... Google is your friend .. :-)

AliGorie

Fretwired said:

Love the comments about Empire 2.0 .. it's actually Empire 5.0 ... Google is your friend .. :-)

huh - u mean I missed 3 - how can u miss three more of that stuff ?

Rocker

Watch your backs guys! A well known political strategy is to obscure difficult things by getting people to focus on irrelevant issues. Irrelevant issues like Gibraltar. Brexit is the most serious issue anyone in the UK has ever faced. And Scotland might leave the UK. Leaving the EU will cost the UK a lot of money, which will impact on your health services, your road infrastructure maintenance etc. Government knows that it is better to get you concerned about a rock in the Mediterranean than things closer to home. This government tactic and other similar methods, were covered in great detail in the Yes! Prime Minister TV series. It is surprising how much of this you will see when you know what to look for.

siremoon

Rocker said:

 Brexit is the most serious issue anyone in the UK has ever faced.

Damn right.  It knocks the blitz and the rest of WWII into a cocked hat.

Snap

Gibraltar is british territory, that's the end of it.

It is also a dump, full of scumbags and crapness. Imagine all the crapness of british coastal resorts put on a rock, in the heat and fill it with a load of rough necks and crap pubs: you got it.

A truly horrible disappointing place tbh.

Jalapeno

Rocker said:

Watch your backs guys! A well known political strategy is to obscure difficult things by getting people to focus on irrelevant issues. Irrelevant issues like Gibraltar.

Only it's the EU that raised it

mellowsun

holnrew said:

Yeah loads of poker businesses are based there

That's because it's a tax haven.

CabbageCat

Rocker said:

Watch your backs guys! A well known political strategy is to obscure difficult things by getting people to focus on irrelevant issues. Irrelevant issues like Gibraltar.

Hang on...wasn't it you that started this thread?!? Are you a tool of the illuminati?

Drew_TNBD

CabbageCat said:

Rocker said:

Watch your backs guys! A well known political strategy is to obscure difficult things by getting people to focus on irrelevant issues. Irrelevant issues like Gibraltar.

Hang on...wasn't it you that started this thread?!? Are you a tool of the illuminati?

ahahahahahahahahaha!!

Rocker

CabbageCat said:

Rocker said:

Watch your backs guys! A well known political strategy is to obscure difficult things by getting people to focus on irrelevant issues. Irrelevant issues like Gibraltar.

Hang on...wasn't it you that started this thread?!? Are you a tool of the illuminati?

No, but this is how the thread panned out.  And I doubt that I would read your opinions if I used Google to find out about the Rock.......

cacophony

the rock is still important for several reasons. right on the very top of it, is a secure area which tourists are not allowed anywhere near, i've been up there, i was in the airforce and been to gib a few times. it's a 'listening post' , that's about all i'll say. also, if you stand right at the top of the rock, above the dockyard, you see africa, and every ship going in and out of the med. including soviet/russian ones etc. it controls the med, and it's something we still take seriously. when i was there once with 4 jaguars, we were all on pretty much a 'jolly' just showing the spanish that if they wanted to start something etc etc. we'd been there about 5 days when we were alerted to the fact that a russian aircraft carrier and it's support group were heading into the med, we had to re-role our jets and load lots of bombs and shit that were flown out from the uk in transport aircraft, in case they 'tried something', quite what i can't imagine, but we knew they'd be watching us, watching them.

a strange place, but one i can't see us giving up anytime soon.

quarky

ICBM said:

jellyroll said:

Agree with the sentiment but not sure Gibraltar is an Empire 2.0 question is it? We have an irrefutable mandate to the place so as long as the resident are happy to stay Britsh, what's the Empire issue?

I don't recall the six and a half million inhabitants of Hong Kong being given that option.

And we did own Hong Kong Island and Kowloon outright, by treaty just as with Gibraltar - it was only the New Territories that were leased.

Actually, I think most of modern Kowloon was part of the NT too. And HK was significantly dependent on the NT.

HK residents should have been given British passports though, but two wrongs don't make a right.

ToneControl

koneguitarist said:

Having visited and worked in Gib with the Navy, it's still an extremely important strategic place. 
Those who control Gib, controls the Med. 
its British same as Falklands end of story. 
So many of these countries want UK to give territory back, yet they all have territory themselves. 
I say sod off! 
Like the Argies with Falkland isles, nothing to do with them whatso ever, so tell them all to sod off. 

the Falklands are incredibly expensive for the UK, though

ToneControl

Rocker said:

Watch your backs guys! A well known political strategy is to obscure difficult things by getting people to focus on irrelevant issues. Irrelevant issues like Gibraltar. Brexit is the most serious issue anyone in the UK has ever faced. And Scotland might leave the UK. Leaving the EU will cost the UK a lot of money, which will impact on your health services, your road infrastructure maintenance etc. Government knows that it is better to get you concerned about a rock in the Mediterranean than things closer to home. This government tactic and other similar methods, were covered in great detail in the Yes! Prime Minister TV series. It is surprising how much of this you will see when you know what to look for.

eh?
we give billions a year to the EU, but if we leave it, the NHS and roads will deteriorate?

Ireland did very badly for those things after leaving a union with a wealthier state, but in this case, it's the leaving party that is wealthy