NEW Boss DM-2, BD-2 & SD-1 reissues

[Deleted User]

too expensive,

I'd rather have the keeley BD2 for that price,

Keeley brand new £140 - boss brand new at bellow RRP as listed above by Dano91 £120

get into second hand land and it gets even better.

ICBM

Apart from the DM-2 which does look like it might be worthwhile - partly because originals in good order are getting rare - those are ridiculous.

You can buy an original Made In Japan SD-1 for under half even the reduced price, and a BD-2 for around a quarter of it.

MattG

darcym said:

too expensive,

I'd rather have the keeley BD2 for that price,

Keeley brand new £140 - boss brand new at bellow RRP as listed above by Dano91 £120

get into second hand land and it gets even better.

How do you know you would rather have the keeley though?

they are both modified BD2 circuits so this may be worse or better or similar we don't really know yet, i shall wait until somebody does a better YT video or until i can have a go with both side by side before i make any comparative statement, i admit that its unlikely that it will be as good as the keeleys but it is possible that boss have done something in line with what keeley do with these in which case they would be a very good buy indeed as these will be much easier and quicker to get hold of.

I feel it would be a mistake writing them off so soon.

ThorpyFX

Andertons have the dm2w listed as £135.......

ThePrettyDamned

I was hoping they'd be a reasonable undercut to a new keeley. 5 year warranty or not, that's still a wee bit hefty. Of course, if it sounds amazing it might be worth it. The delay seems like it could be amazing though.

MattG

I'll wait until i'm proven wrong but that delay looks absolutely fantastic and could make me regret my aqua puss purchase...

i repeat could

[Deleted User]

sorry, I didn't mean "I'd rather have a Keeley as it's better" - I meant "I'd rather have a Keeley, you know what you are getting you know it's good, and it's only a few quid more for a proven and respected product".

The Boss ones may turn out to be great, but they would have to be something pretty special to beat the keeley BD2 and SD1 and they are just a few quid less, with less options

Heartfeltdawn

darcym said:

sorry, I didn't mean "I'd rather have a Keeley as it's better" - I meant "I'd rather have a Keeley, you know what you are getting you know it's good, and it's only a few quid more for a proven and respected product".

The Boss ones may turn out to be great, but they would have to be something pretty special to beat the keeley BD2 and SD1 and they are just a few quid less, with less options

And Boss pedals aren't proven and respected?

[Deleted User]

the BD2 isn't hence why it's modded to get it better.

Johnnyseven

A pedal that has been available for nearly 20 years, made by a company known for their reliability and used by many players the world over not proven? I don't think so. The stock BD2 sounds great, but i'm very interested in what their new version sounds like.

Heartfeltdawn

darcym said:

the BD2 isn't hence why it's modded to get it better.

I thought it was modded so it sounds more boring for dudes chasing that particularly yawn-inducing bloooze tone. 

ThePrettyDamned

Heartfeltdawn;294200" said:

darcym said:

the BD2 isn't hence why it's modded to get it better.












I thought it was modded so it sounds more boring for dudes chasing that particularly yawn-inducing bloooze tone. 

I don't know. It's a good pedal, but I found it a bit harsh on the top end of things.

But if it's nodded to sound better, it's gone from a decent overdrive to an excellent one. Hopefully.

Does seem a tad pricey. I was hoping for sub 100 but I'm a right cheap skate.

not_the_dj

ThePrettyDamned said:

Does seem a tad pricey. I was hoping for sub 100 but I'm a right cheap skate.

Part of the pricing model for these will be so they don't appear too cheap. They're marketing them as a premium product against the regular line of pedals, so the price point will reflect that.

[Deleted User]

not_the_dj said:

ThePrettyDamned said:

Does seem a tad pricey. I was hoping for sub 100 but I'm a right cheap skate.

Part of the pricing model for these will be so they don't appear too cheap. They're marketing them as a premium product against the regular line of pedals, so the price point will reflect that.

now that is an interesting thought, if it was just say +£10 people would possibly say "it's just the same as the other one" and won't have the premium desire that it's created.

I don't think it's a bad price, I do think it could be better, or that these improvements should be "the norm" rather than a limited edition.

therose789

Wasnt very keen on the demo! seemed more about the chap who was playing the guitar rather than the pedals. 

Dave_Mc

ICBM said:

Apart from the DM-2 which does look like it might be worthwhile - partly because originals in good order are getting rare - those are ridiculous.

You can buy an original Made In Japan SD-1 for under half even the reduced price, and a BD-2 for around a quarter of it.

More than that- reading the blurb about the SD1 said it used "all- discrete analogue circuitry" (http://www.andertons.co.uk/compact-pedals/pid34896/cid692/boss-sd1w-super-overdrive-guitar-effects-pedal.asp). Is it even an SD1 any more?

Fix the frigging bypass bleed and up the price by maybe £2 to compensate, don't release expensive boutique "improvements"! (Or at least make them boutique "improvements" which actually might be worthwhile (say a switch to remove the bass cut or something like that), and which don't increase the pedal's price by 300%!)

If they did that I'd buy a bog standard SD1 right now.

ThePrettyDamned said:

I was hoping they'd be a reasonable undercut to a new keeley. 5 year warranty or not, that's still a wee bit hefty.

Don't even the bog standard Boss pedals have the 5 year warranty?

Plus I mean buy on e.g. thomann and you get a 3 year warranty on pretty much anything, anyway. Granted, not 5, but it does make it less of a bonus.

Johnnyseven

The price for the SD1W is the same as a reissue TS9 and alot less than a reissue TS808 and they all have a very similar circuit.

thermionic

Dave_Mc said:

More than that- reading the blurb about the SD1 said it used "all- discrete analogue circuitry"

Interesting that - the BD-2 contains an opamp but in discrete components rather than an integrated circuit. I always understood the SD-1 to be a TS-type opamp/diode clipping circuit. It's a heck of redesign to substitute an 8-pin opamp chip with discrete components when they could have pulled in the cork-sniffers with some marketing hype about JRC4558s.

xSkarloey

They definitely needed to waza-fy the old CE-2 chorus now.

And it goes without saying that the old Heavy Metal HM 2 needs a good wazzing. Just so they get the message, I've got people to sign a petition in their own blood. I have asked a band of torch bearing, sword wielding, guitar shredding Norwegian death metallers to deliver it in person.

ThePrettyDamned

thermionic;294579" said:

Dave_Mc said:



More than that- reading the blurb about the SD1 said it used "all- discrete analogue circuitry"



Interesting that - the BD-2 contains an opamp but in discrete components rather than an integrated circuit. I always understood the SD-1 to be a TS-type opamp/diode clipping circuit. It's a heck of redesign to substitute an 8-pin opamp chip with discrete components when they could have pulled in the cork-sniffers with some marketing hype about JRC4558s.

That's a good point actually! If that's all discrete (though manufacturers can be a bit flexible when they say that...) it's a bit bonkers.

But the kind of thing that might attract some folk.

I really hope they're great - they're priced about the same as your average boutique overdrive, and the delay is a fair price compared to some, so if they're great sounding (and the buffer has been improved a bit, even if it means a buffer before the usual buffer in the circuit!) I can see this being cool.

Just... A wee bit too much for someone like me. I'd be perfectly happy with buying two sd-1s, keeping one stock and trying my hand at modding the other myself.

And breaking it.