What is this!? Old LP on eBay

Sassafras

I notice the seller is based in Bucks. Isn't (ADMIN EDIT: see here) from that part of the world? 

DartmoorHedgehog

Apart from the probable dishonesty of the description, I'd love a LP that looked like that!  The knobs would have to be changed for slightly less manky examples, but otherwise I think it looks really good.  Shame it's got dodgy provenance - if it was sold as a "modified/reliced 1990s Les Paul" (and assuming that's what it is, and that it's structurally sound and playable) then I'd be happy to bid a few hundred.

usedtobe

Knobs aside, it's not that bad looking a guitar. But all the kidology about age, and whatnot, is a big turn off. And I don't really get on with LPs, either..

ICBM

Shark_Eyes said:

Is it just me or does the lower horn have a lot of sanding marks

Not compared to the rest of it .

ArchtopDave

It's interesting that a fair few of the photos are well focused, but the two photos of the front and back of the top end of the Headstock are not - the one of the back of the Headstock is particular bad in this respect. Given this photographic limitation., I'm not convinced that the Headstock logo is quite right - I've done my best to compare with one that's the real deal.

zenzeypher

ICBM said:

Aha. I think I have spotted something which proves it's a fake.

And which might also indicate it's actually an early 90s Les Paul Classic.

This is something I'd never really noticed until I went looking for pics to back up my first hunch, and found that there's something which corresponds to neither real or recent reissue Standards, but *does* correspond to early 90s Les Pauls…

It's in the very first pic, of the full body. I'll wait and see if anyone else can see it .

I also thought it might of been the hole location for the top of the pickguard. Mainly being that it's too far down and I can't see any evidence of it being moved and dowelled.

IvisonGuitars

Hasn't this thing been doing the rounds for a few years on eBay? I'm sure I remember seeing it on there a few years ago and there was a thread on MR about it? I may be mistaken though.

ICBM

I must admit I have no idea why anyone thinks it looks nice. To me it looks like a total mess of a so-called 'relic' job that looks nothing like any genuine old guitar, no matter how mistreated, and every bit like it's been crudely attacked with various tools. Real water damage looks nothing like it, for a start.

It would be a shame if it is a real Gibson that has been ruined in an attempt to multiply its value, but sadly I think that it is the most likely case.

IvisonGuitars

Here's some real water damage, Rich Robinson's 335 that was caught in Hurricane Sandy and the resulting Nashville flood:

XWulfhere

Too bad they won't ship to Sri Lanka - would have looked good on the wall of my golf home in Pallekele

Octahedron

Until I read the description I genuinely thought it looked like it'd been burned or exposed to excess heat. If that was a real 50s LP that'd be such a shame.

Shame someone's actually put a fair number of bids down on it really. But I would love it if someone from here bought it and did something really cool with it! It could be something really nice under there... Or be made into something really nice with character.

WezV

I have worked a few flood damaged guitars.

It doesn't create gouges in wood.

Discoloration, warping and peeling lacquer are the norm.

The lacquer damage can look like extreme crazing, except it tends to curl up at the cracks where it has begun to separate from the wood. Even nitro seems to do this, as if the extreme moisture pushes it back out of the wood

DrJazzTap

@Iamnobody thank you sir. The guitar is shocking, some crafty camera angles at play. Not too bad a top, but those pots and the cavity in the back is shocking.
The only thing I can think, is that the loft must be on a canal boat?

DartmoorHedgehog

ICBM said:

I must admit I have no idea why anyone thinks it looks nice. To me it looks like a total mess of a so-called 'relic' job that looks nothing like any genuine old guitar, no matter how mistreated, and every bit like it's been crudely attacked with various tools. Real water damage looks nothing like it, for a start.

I don't think it looks at all like genuine wear and tear (or damage or whatever), and I'm not really a fan of relicing as such, but I do like the texture effect on that LP - bit like sand-blasted wood but a bit "smoother".  I'm certainly not defending the seller pretending it's something it's not, but as an interesting finish I genuinely do like the effect (apart from the knobs).

There seems more point in doing something more extreme like this to give an interesting finish than with the ubiquitous Strat that's been bashed against a wall a few times then had a turd rubbed into the pick guard - and people pay Fender extra for that

pmg

miserneil;649473" said:

Here's some real water damage, Rich Robinson's 335 that was caught in Hurricane Sandy and the resulting Nashville flood:

Didn't that get restored for him in the end?

IvisonGuitars

pmg;650047" said:

[quote="miserneil;649473"]Here's some real water damage, Rich Robinson's 335 that was caught in Hurricane Sandy and the resulting Nashville flood:

Didn't that get restored for him in the end?
[/quote]

Yes, by RS Guitarworks, there's a great blog about the whole process which is well worth a read, I'll post a link later.

Interestingly when they took it apart, they mention how average the build was, guitar pretty much thrown together which just goes to show that no matter how much 'mojo' a guitar takes on through the years, ultimately they were all just bog standard production models when first built.

koss59

I think it's one of this Standard faded models they made around 2005?

richardhomer

miserneil;650187" said:

Yes, by RS Guitarworks, there's a great blog about the whole process which is well worth a read, I'll post a link later.

Interestingly when they took it apart, they mention how average the build was, guitar pretty much thrown together which just goes to show that no matter how much 'mojo' a guitar takes on through the years, ultimately they were all just bog standard production models when first built.

My vintage 335 is identical - and from the same year - complete with the holes for the stop-tail drilled too close to the bridge!

Rather than scrap them, Gibson simply installed Bigsbys and shipped them.

http://es-335.net/335/66202.html

xmrchi

@richardhomer where is this gret Britain he speaks of?

stimpsonslostson

Yikes. 

I don't like that much. I'll stick to my Raygun Reliced V100 LP clone- the finish is equally genuine, but infinitely more realistic!