kirk hammet?

siraxeman

I'm not a  metallica fan....but all this Internet hate for kirky? Whats up with him....why is he the object of such scorn and derision? 

Hoof

Yeah. Metallica have done quite well for a metal band with a drummer and lead guitarist who are both apparently shite. 

I think perhaps he got lazy for a while and just kept churning out the same old licks with too much wah pedal and it wouldn't do for a famous guitar player to stick to what they know would it?

axisus

I have to say that it does get on my nerves a bit. I spent 10 years over at the Petrucci forum and they were really nasty about Kirk all the time. I'm pretty indifferent, I don't really listen to Metallica. I think that he is perceived as not being that good a guitarist, playing in Em a lot, overuse of wah in solos, not having written any classic solos in a vast long time etc.

octatonic

Because he's a lazy musician.
I'm a huge Metallica fan but in spite of Kirk and to a degree, Lars.

He isn't very versatile, does the same stuff year after year and it is clear he doesn't practice.
James has always been the better guitarist- his right hand is a total weapon.

When I saw the Death Magnetic tour Kirk was all over the shop- he wasn't in tune or in time for his solos.
It was a mess.

siraxeman

Sandman is a great solo. If hetfield's so much better why does he rarely do any solos? He did a nice melodic one in nothing else matters. ....what else?

RocknRollDave

siraxeman said:

Sandman is a great solo. If hetfield's so much better why does he rarely do any solos? He did a nice melodic one in nothing else matters. ....what else?

The slow one in Master of Puppets, IIRC

earwighoney

Kirk might be a lazy guitarist but Lars has to take the award for the worst musician in that band, he is terrible drummer - an absolute douche bag as well. 

octatonic

siraxeman said:

Sandman is a great solo. If hetfield's so much better why does he rarely do any solos? He did a nice melodic one in nothing else matters. ....what else?

Because being able to solo doesn't define how great a musician someone is.
Hetfield writes incredible riffs and his sense of timing is ridiculously good.
If we want to judge a musician by how well they solo then sure, maybe Kirk is a better soloist, but he isn't a better guitarist (imho).

siraxeman

Haha.....i was waiting for this very response. So kirky doesn't write anything or any of his rhythm parts? Does james spoonfeed him all his rhythm parts? If kirky really was so bad i think your hero hetfield would have twigged by now....

Philly_Q

I'm not in a position to judge how good or bad a guitarist Kirk may be in any kind of absolute sense.

But it does seem to me that it's acceptable - almosted expected, in fact - to single him out for slagging off when I'm sure there are countless other players, no better or worse, who are left to just get on with their own business.

In that sense he's the Joe Bonamassa of heavy metal.

siraxeman

He's going to be a damn site bettererer than 99% of his haters who play puppets and sandman in their bedrooms. I go on boxing forums to and certain fighters get the same kind of bashing. From keyboard warriors that couldnt beat a dusty rug. Sad but troooooooohooooooo! ( do that last bit in a hetfield voice lol )

ICBM

I believe that Marc Bolan used to get the same sort of hate forty years ago, for being a terrible guitarist - for seeming to know about two chords, not being able to string together a listenable solo, having about two different rhythms that he always played, all that sort of thing… which depending on how you look at it is mostly true. But he had *something* else - hard to define exactly what, but a unique feel and sense of groove is part of it, as well as a knack for writing catchy songs.

Forty years later, who is remembered - Bolan, or anyone who criticised him?

ourmaninthenorth

I've never met Kirk, so I can't comment on him personally...although some of the things I've heard him talk about I happen to like....

Seems to have done alright for himself despite allegedly being a lazy, unpractised, piss poor player.  

BloodEagle

Kirk Hammet is a fantastic guitarist in my opinion, technically not amazing but who cares - they guy has wirttien some incredible riffs and solos

chrispy108

BloodEagle said:

Kirk Hammet is a fantastic guitarist in my opinion, technically not amazing but who cares - they guy has wirttien some incredible riffs and solos

Written? He rarely gets writing credit so not sure he's written much.

siraxeman said:

He's going to be a damn site bettererer than 99% of his haters who play puppets and sandman in their bedrooms. I go on boxing forums to and certain fighters get the same kind of bashing. From keyboard warriors that couldnt beat a dusty rug. Sad but troooooooohooooooo! ( do that last bit in a hetfield voice lol )

So? I bet you couldn't build a car better than one you don't like, or can't code a better approach/website than one you complain about etc etc.

When did you have to be better than someone to critique them?


Metallica = Hetfield in my eyes

siraxeman

You don't have to be better to voice an opinion on something or someonebut when put into pperspective often haters often make mugs of themselves especially when they're poor amateurs themselves....! There's voicing an opinion and there's hating....

guitarfishbay

I thought Kirk wrote the original Enter Sandman riff. And that Lars has a big hand in arranging the music.

Hetfield is incredible but he isn't Metallica on his own. Guy is an amazing rhythm guitarist though

meltedbuzzbox

The solo on unforgiven is pretty decent.

I think he has a harder job than everyone thinks. 
If you are being brought tunes to solo over and not be involved from the start it can be hard to fresh and different, especially over a massive back catalogue like Metallica have. 

Where is the similar hatred for Dave Gilmour? Yes it's classed as tasteful note selection etc etc but it is all very similar

siraxeman

Do you mean "why isn't there similar hatred...." cos I've neverheard  of any ...

mort

If only Mustaine hadn't kicked Hetfields dog.........

Philly_Q

chrispy108 said:

Written? He rarely gets writing credit so not sure he's written much.

He's had writing credits on at least 40% of the songs from Ride the Lightning onwards.  Of course I don't know exactly which bits he wrote, but he certainly contributed something.

Although interestingly, the new album looks like it's pretty much all Hetfield/Ulrich.