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You see, Pontins have done this for a reason. Something happeneD somewhere, which they thoughts involved a certain group of people.
Racist ? Yes.
But there’s a reason behind most things, and thE powers that be at Pontins are more concerned with the well being of thoese peacefully staying there, and the property itself, than the PC brigade.
So, in their minds, how do they prevent this happening with online bookings ?
By the surnames.
It is discriminatory and affects many good people with similar names.
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Of course I can see the difference.
I just wonder how we would handle the situation if we were running a place that had been trashed, possibly suffered physical attacks to our staff and customers, as well as financial loss.
Pontins aren't advocating gassing or sterilising travellers, they're just safeguarding themselves from further trouble.
Pubs bar individuals..
The piles of rubbish, the human excrement in the park, the noise at all hours, the blocked roads and pavement/verges... and that was our usual citizens last Easter here enjoying breaking the rules in the nice weather.
Provided they're not called McGuinness, Gallagher, O'Reilly or Murphy.
Couldn't take him anywhere.
is it crazy how saying sentences backwards creates backwards sentences saying how crazy it is?
Discrimination like this is already in place elsewhere for groups such as hen or stag parties (the assumption, based on evidence, that they are likely to disrupt the peace), children under a certain age, numbers of children of a certain age in shops (the assumption being they will steal). Nobody kicks up a fuss about that discrimination, but when you group people by a different category to exclude them, it's suddenly no longer acceptable. The crucial point is whether the discrimination is justified or not. In this case, they handled it poorly. They were clearly attempting to exclude the Irish traveller community but roped in a lot of non-traveller Irish people too (and non-Irish with Irish surnames). That stupidity aside, is it unreasonable for a business to exclude minority groups, however categorised, because the evidence shows that they are more likely to cause trouble than other groups ? I don't believe it is. A business isn't obliged to provide a service to you if they choose not to, as long as they have reasonable grounds for the discrimination. Excluding people because of, say, their skin colour, sexuality or religion would clearly be unreasonable unless there was clear evidence that people of that skin colour, sexuality or religion were much more likely to cause trouble. The same way they do with kids in shops and hen parties etc. Obviously this isn't the case - as skin colour, sexuality or religion has no bearing at all on how much of an asshole you can be.
My, admittedly slightly abstract point is that we shouldn't have a knee-jerk balk reaction to the concept of discriminating against a group - purely because it is a group that is considered sacrosanct and must not be criticised. If the evidence proves that members of that minority group actually are more likely to cause trouble or exhibit behaviours that make the majority uncomfortable then it's up to the owners of that private business as to whether to exclude that group, in my opinion.
Excluding people for membership of a group just because you don't like that group is not the same thing though - that's just plain old racism/sexism/trans/homophobia which is often 'justified' by the use of false evidence and misconceptions about that group.
Jeez.... I gotta do some work FFS !!! I get drawn into these threads and end up writing a bloody essay every time !
Chips are "Plant-based" no matter how you cook them
Donald Trump needs kicking out of a helicopter
I'm personally responsible for all global warming
The incidence of those issues is significantly higher amongst some readily identifiable groups than others, particularly when group bookings for social/family events (e.g. weddings) are involved. As a result measures have been put in place (nothing as blunt as blacklisting by surname - things like limits/conditions on cash payments, ID requirements, additional requirements/restrictions on access to car parks for vans and/or large caravans, etc, etc) which make their establishments somewhat less attractive to those groups. And if that means (which, looking at the period over which those policies have been developed it demonstrably has) that my wife doesn’t end up having to do unexpected and unplanned shifts cleaning (literal) shit out of places where shit has no business being or coming home in tears after having to lock herself in the staff break room while the management try to get the police out to deal with the nastier incidents quite as often then I’m fine with it.
It’s all very well saying that you shouldn’t prejudge a whole group on the behaviour of some individuals, but barring individuals, attempting to recover costs, and being willing to call the police really doesn’t help much when the same (really, really, really nasty) issues keep turning up again and again with representatives of that group...
https://youtu.be/WYvw8MefblU
In response to @Emp_Fab’s comment - no, it’s not reasonable to discriminate against Irish Travellers on the basis of assumptions on how they will behave. It’s against the law to do this, a clear breach of the Equalities Act.
Just out of curiosity, is it also illegal to discriminate against stag / hen parties on the basis of assumptions on how they will behave ?
Chips are "Plant-based" no matter how you cook them
Donald Trump needs kicking out of a helicopter
I'm personally responsible for all global warming
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