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Resonance of the structure and its affect on the vibrating string is still worthy of discussion, especially if talking about guitar design and builds, but its definitely the thin end of the wedge.
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One of my favourite pieces of music of all time is a recording that I downloaded from Youtube years ago (before the codecs got high quality) and seems to be captured from a very poor condition VHS recording off 70s Turkish TV.
On the other hand, when I listen to something with high production like Pink Floyd or John Mayer, I do get extra pleasure from the subtleties of the tone.
So really if anyone is worried that their music will suffer if they don't get themselves in to debt for a fancy guitar, they shouldn't and should just get one they can afford but at the same time if someone has plenty of money to spare, I don't think being specific about tone is wasted time.
And... that's fine, and I'm only speaking for myself here but I think I understood your position the first time you said it. I also think there's a culture of scepticism in what, I think for many, is far more of a practical and artistic endeavor than an objective, scientific one. On occasion that gets in the way of just accepting obvious things that are easy to hear. I've given a real world example, I note it's been ignored. But I've put my money where my mouth is by posting an audio example.
Maybe my perspective on critical listening is a bit different, having done plenty of double blind tests and also tests on myself and in shootouts while producing/ mixing music - I think it's perfectly possible to listen and evaluate sounds outside of a strictly controlled double blind setup, people do it all the time.
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I already alluded to the fact that some people don't like the idea that what they think they can hear isn't necessarily what's there but there's no need to attack me over it - it's not my fault your wish isn't true.
*being called ignorant does however feel a bit like an attack...
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I'll give you the benefit of the doubt though, if your view isn't based entirely on ignorance - let's see some of the evidence you have for thinking that people really do perceive things correctly. I've read a lot on the topic and every single bit of evidence points to the opposite so it'll be enlightening to read yours.
It really wasn't an attack. It was an observation - you've made the same point numerous times. It could have been a moment of self reflection, but your ego has got in the way, and now the thread is about you. You can take THAT as an attack if you wish. But since you posted the same idea multiple times on every page, that's clearly what you wanted to start with, so well done.
I won't endeavour to prove that "people really do perceive things correctly" because that's so open ended and ill defined that it's meaningless. If you meant to ask me to prove that perception and biases don't influence and cloud our objectivity, I won't, because I agree with you that they do. I just also believe that not every experience or opinion needs to be blind tested and peer reviewed to have value - especially when (as I've already gone through in my first post in this thread) there are clear mechanisms that explain the observation.
I'm not even sure if you have a point, now - I just think you wanted to prove how clever you are by dropping the phrase "controlled double blind test" into what was until now an interesting discussion.
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Look mate, you were the one who brought me in to it, everything I'd said in the thread before that was about guitars.
This will be the last time I reply to you, if you don't like what I say, ignore it or use the ignore function if you're unable to.
There is a tactile element encompassing strings, action, radius, fret size, neck size, ergonomics of the instrument relative to the player’s physical attributes (how tall the player is, arm length, hand size, finger length etc.) neck finish (glossy or satin, poly or nitro, worn or not etc.), and I would say body resonance. I have played some guitars which have been particularly resonant and I have found this to increase my enjoyment of the overall playing experience.
Going beyond that there is also arguably a visual element which definitely has no impact on the sound i.e. colour, reliced, unreliced etc, but which similarly contributes to the experience.
When I'm in a shop it's the things you mentioned I'm way more concerned about anyway, more than how it sounds through an alien amp played relatively quietly in a large shop.
if its "guitars must be wood, certain types of wood... everything else is bad", then yes, you are bang on the money.
If its "choice of material has some affect on resonance and tone", then no, you are not bang on the money.
Guitars can be built from many many things other than wood. those materials will have there own characteristics which can influence the sound in some way and will form part of the design decision
here is a comparison of a wood and aluminum guitar neck as one example that disproves the first statement, but supports the second. Slight, but definite differences.
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