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Generic, spirit-of-the-forum-based rules: Plenty of freedom, light moderation, a comfy place to be, but some individuals will be high-maintenance and try to get around the rules and rules-lawyer their way through to a ban.
Masses of strict rules: Less freedom of discussion, no quibbling over rule breaches, lots of typing out of rules that nobody other than modmins will ever read, meaning more will break the rules accidentally and end up banned.
The first is the kind of place we aim to be - "comfy". The second is the kind of place this forum was intended to be an antidote for - this is a community first and foremost. The trouble is, it only takes a couple of people out of nearly 20,000 to poison it, especially if they have enthusiastic accomplices who - while they aren't breaking the rules and usually don't agree with or even like the troublemakers - manage to amplify the problem to the point where it explodes and becomes a massive rift.
Naturally, of course, everyone's the hero of their own story and thus can't see themselves in that description.
I can't argue with any of that but at the same time it doesn't change how I feel about my original point.
What one person thinks is breaking rule 1 will never be the same for everyone so what it really means is don't do what you think the mods/forum would consider dick behaviour.
Supportact said: [my style is] probably more an accumulation of limitations and bad habits than a 'style'.
Well-off, middle aged white guys?
I think I've often felt like a bit of an outsider here. I find all the expensive coffee machine, expensive watches, expensive whiskey etc threads a bit off putting as I just don't really relate to any of that.
I'm sure you do and I still come here and generally enjoy it so it's not all bad
Edit; sorry btw I seem to have missed some comments while I was replying. @monquixote yes "echo chamber" would probably be more suitable.
Either:
Permaban
or
Make him a Empe-rantor subforum like the corona or politics one so he can reign in his own domain without the shit splashing too far out of the bowl.
What I don’t have time for are people who purposefully create discord. It disrupts discussions, and upsets our wider membership. It’s easy to forget that this vocal minority are just that. A minority.
I found the Germany thread made me think about my own perception of Germany, what prejudices I held, how impacted by media, education, forum opinions etc my attitude was. It was an interesting personal journey, but I chose not to get involved in that thread. Without it I wouldn't have taken a few minutes to explore how I really thought about an important subject and whether after some introspection there were any latent issues I ought to reflect more on.
I've travelled around there, have friends there, worked closely with german's for years.
he chooses his moments, lobs a grenade in the hole and stands back watching everyone else caught in the fallout…then claims he’s “been misunderstood” a few pages later… Quite a clever way to troll to be fair…
maybe take away off topic access as as happened to others in the past!…
None of my business really…don’t care if he’s here on not tbh but it would be nice if he could stop winding everyone up!…
It's like a virtual pub. No-one has a right to come in and act however they want if the landlord thinks it has a negative effect on the pub and how the clientele will respond. We've had users who made this forum quite unpleasant at times and we're better for their absence - through their own indifference or otherwise.
Coming in here requires a bit of respect for those already participating, and for the institution itself. If the landlord thinks your behaviour isn't appropriate then he will have a private word in your ear and it's down to you to listen. It isn't usually appropriate for the landlord to have a public discussion with the rest of the pub about a specific individual and their actions. The landlord may get it wrong and the pub loses all its customers, but it's their call and we can vote with our feet if we want to.
This isn't a private members club where we're all equal, have a vote and can change the constitution if we don't like it.
Respectfully, people who don't like it should find another pub. Those who are asked into a corner so the landlord can have a quiet word should listen and either modify their behaviour or find another pub.
The two "rules" that make the biggest difference on here are:
- no "ad hominen" personal insults
- don't carry over emotions from one thread into another
Most of the bad feeling comes when we forget to follow them.
And yeah, maybe I do care more than i think, It brings the whole forum down and gives a bad impression.
Maybe I shouldn't care as its not my forum... but at the same time and to use the pub analogy, if there's a drunk in the corner continually being a pain in the arse you would (as suggested above) find another pub!.
How many folk don't join up because of the random threads posted? more to the point, How many existing members dont log back on because of them?
wouldn't be so bad if contributions were made to other areas of the forum... Drew was a massive bell end at times but he posted helpful and useful stuff elsewhere... yet we're left with emps trolling????
and as winnie pointed out... he's done it again... started a ruck and pissed off.
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