The Theresa May General Election thread (edited)

Snap

aah, but how do you quantify intelligence though.......

Its certainly not about how you spell or what books you've read.

Fretwired

Sporky said:

Fretwired said:

you don't know them so you can't comment

Sorry, I forgot again that this is your forum and you get to decide who's allowed to express an opinion and who isn't.

I find quite a bit of what you post interesting, but then you also do this a lot - claim something based on personal experience, refuse to back it up and insist we accept your anecdata without question or comment. When challenged you always get snarky. It's pretty tiresome.

There you go again. How can you comment on people you don't know? I made a specific comment about a client - she can't write (her admission) or formulate her ideas properly so she pays me. It's just a comment about someone I know - I didn't realise we were going to enforce academic style rigour on what gets written on this forum.

You also try and put words in my mouth - I don't know any geniuses and I never used the word. No wonder I get snarky. People today are better educated than in my day when many kids left school with no qualifications, but were able to get well-paid factory jobs.

Oh and I have a degree, so I'm not anti-graduate.

In future I will keep my comments to myself or just put me on ignore.

Fretwired

Snap said:

aah, but how do you quantify intelligence though.......

Its certainly not about how you spell or what books you've read.

Totally agree. It's also about environment.

capo4th

ICBM said:

Official: Tory voters are old and uneducated.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40331136

But still much more likely to vote than the young and educated. If young people had voted in the same numbers as the old, Corbyn would be in No.10 with an overwhelming majority.

So who is really stupid?

Not sure if it's you for believing anything in that article.

Corbyn grabbed the youth vote as they have nothing to lose and many were voting for the first time and would have voted for a chimpanzee if it promised all the beautiful things and free stuff for everyone that Corbyn did.

He also grabbed an increased BEM vote.

When were those 4 extra Bank holidays going to be again? 

littlegreenman

capo4th said:

ICBM said:

Official: Tory voters are old and uneducated.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40331136

But still much more likely to vote than the young and educated. If young people had voted in the same numbers as the old, Corbyn would be in No.10 with an overwhelming majority.

So who is really stupid?

Not sure if it's you for believing anything in that article.

Corbyn grabbed the youth vote as they have nothing to lose and many were voting for the first time and would have voted for a chimpanzee if it promised all the beautiful things and free stuff for everyone that Corbyn did.

He also grabbed an increased BEM vote.

When were those 4 extra Bank holidays going to be again? 

Damn those bug eyed monsters!

ICBM

capo4th said:

ICBM said:

Official: Tory voters are old and uneducated.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40331136

But still much more likely to vote than the young and educated. If young people had voted in the same numbers as the old, Corbyn would be in No.10 with an overwhelming majority.

So who is really stupid?

Not sure if it's you for believing anything in that article.

"Believing" what? The stats are what they are.

The most important things are that the old are much more likely to vote than the young, and that the Tories are much more popular among the old than the young. (The numbers vary a bit but all polling organisations agree that there is a substantial difference in both cases.) Those same young who are sometimes heard to moan about old people voting for things that will affect the young for longer into the future, like leaving the EU, or for Tory governments.

My point was that it's not the old or uneducated who are stupid - it's the people who waste their right to express a choice and then complain about the outcome who are.

If you don't want to wake up to things you don't like that have been voted for mostly by old people, you need to actually get off your arse and vote.

Heartfeltdawn

capo4th said:

Corbyn grabbed the youth vote as they have nothing to lose and many were voting for the first time and would have voted for a chimpanzee if it promised all the beautiful things and free stuff for everyone that Corbyn did.

It's like reading a book of political analysis written by Muffin the Mule. 

Bidley

Sporky said:

Drew_TNBD said:

He's talking about people he knows though. Real people. Not stereotypes. No??

Real people can conform to stereotypes - and indeed the real people Fret cited do conform to stereotypes. The "educated people are thick" trope is well established.

The original point was that everyone with a degree is highly intelligent, and everyone without is stupid (which is how I took it, anyway). I think Fret was arguing against that, which I think is totally fair.

littlegreenman

All seems to be going swimmingly!

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/queens-speech-dup-theresa-may-tories-deal-talks-delay-no-commons-majority-a7799501.html?cmpid=facebook-post

capo4th

Heartfeltdawn said:

capo4th said:

Corbyn grabbed the youth vote as they have nothing to lose and many were voting for the first time and would have voted for a chimpanzee if it promised all the beautiful things and free stuff for everyone that Corbyn did.

It's like reading a book of political analysis written by Muffin the Mule. 

Really ? What part of part of my comment did you find inaccurate ?

If I was under 25 I would have voted Labour. The only slight problem would have been that very few of Corbyns fantasy policies in his manifesto would have been implemented and that is a fact. 

I notice you didn't answer my question about the four extra bank holidays promised by Corbyn? 

capo4th

ICBM said:

capo4th said:

ICBM said:

Official: Tory voters are old and uneducated.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40331136

But still much more likely to vote than the young and educated. If young people had voted in the same numbers as the old, Corbyn would be in No.10 with an overwhelming majority.

So who is really stupid?

Not sure if it's you for believing anything in that article.

"Believing" what? The stats are what they are.

The most important things are that the old are much more likely to vote than the young, and that the Tories are much more popular among the old than the young. (The numbers vary a bit but all polling organisations agree that there is a substantial difference in both cases.) Those same young who are sometimes heard to moan about old people voting for things that will affect the young for longer into the future, like leaving the EU, or for Tory governments.

My point was that it's not the old or uneducated who are stupid - it's the people who waste their right to express a choice and then complain about the outcome who are.

If you don't want to wake up to things you don't like that have been voted for mostly by old people, you need to actually get off your arse and vote.

True that.

Dont moan if you didn't vote. 

People who tactically voted .......   Words fail me.

Heartfeltdawn

capo4th said:

Heartfeltdawn said:

capo4th said:

Corbyn grabbed the youth vote as they have nothing to lose and many were voting for the first time and would have voted for a chimpanzee if it promised all the beautiful things and free stuff for everyone that Corbyn did.

It's like reading a book of political analysis written by Muffin the Mule. 

Really ? What part of part of my comment did you find inaccurate ?

If I was under 25 I would have voted Labour. The only slight problem would have been that very few of Corbyns fantasy policies in his manifesto would have been implemented and that is a fact. 

I notice you didn't answer my question about the four extra bank holidays promised by Corbyn? 

OK then. Points of note:

1. The ever-continuing generalizations that spill out of your mouth like a dog with terminal dysentery are remarkable. This time, it's young voters and their reasons for voting. 

2. The youth vote was important but polling backed up what I saw on polling day (this was my third GE as a polling clerk): a real kick in the 35-44 age bracket going Labour.  
  
3. They weren't Corbyn's policies. Unlike the Conservatives, the Labour manifesto wasn't kept secret from so many and was a bit more party political rather than something cooked up by the Downing Street Policy Unit. 

4. What you call 'a fact' is more accurately described as 'conjecture'. 

5. I didn't respond to your mention of it because I haven't conducted anywhere near enough research into the feasibility of the idea. I prefer to speak from a position of knowledge and understanding  rather than shitting out opinion and trying to dress it up as fact. The Express called Corbyn desperate for the idea. Such language was nowhere on the radar when it came to Nigel Farage suggesting a bank holiday for St Georges Day in the same newspaper a year earlier. Another bank holiday has also been spoken about by a number of Conservatives over the years. It's hardly the domain of socialist fuckwittery. 






 

Fretwired

Didn't see this coming ... DUP deal off .. potential Lib Dem deal on. I assume the Lib Dems would support May and co for a soft Brexit. Cable could be leader for three years to see government through Brexit.

John_P

Fretwired said:

Didn't see this coming ... DUP deal off .. potential Lib Dem deal on. I assume the Lib Dems would support May and co for a soft Brexit. Cable could be leader for three years to see government through Brexit.

I'm not questioning your sources - you clearly know way more about this stuff than me but surely they aren't that daft - I'd expect that decision would just about finish of the lib dems as a party.  

littlegreenman

Fretwired said:

Didn't see this coming ... DUP deal off .. potential Lib Dem deal on. I assume the Lib Dems would support May and co for a soft Brexit. Cable could be leader for three years to see government through Brexit.

littlegreenman said:

All seems to be going swimmingly!

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/queens-speech-dup-theresa-may-tories-deal-talks-delay-no-commons-majority-a7799501.html?cmpid=facebook-post

Ahem...

ICBM

John_P said:

Fretwired said:

Didn't see this coming ... DUP deal off .. potential Lib Dem deal on. I assume the Lib Dems would support May and co for a soft Brexit. Cable could be leader for three years to see government through Brexit.

I'm not questioning your sources - you clearly know way more about this stuff than me but surely they aren't that daft - I'd expect that decision would just about finish of the lib dems as a party.  

I doubt they could sink any lower. The only people who vote for them now are those who have already forgiven them for being the stooges in a Tory government, so doing it again won't lose them any more votes.

And if Cable wins the leadership then he might - just possibly - get a position in government again.

[/cynic]

capo4th

Heartfeltdawn said:

capo4th said:

Heartfeltdawn said:

capo4th said:

Corbyn grabbed the youth vote as they have nothing to lose and many were voting for the first time and would have voted for a chimpanzee if it promised all the beautiful things and free stuff for everyone that Corbyn did.

It's like reading a book of political analysis written by Muffin the Mule. 

Really ? What part of part of my comment did you find inaccurate ?

If I was under 25 I would have voted Labour. The only slight problem would have been that very few of Corbyns fantasy policies in his manifesto would have been implemented and that is a fact. 

I notice you didn't answer my question about the four extra bank holidays promised by Corbyn? 

OK then. Points of note:

1. The ever-continuing generalizations that spill out of your mouth like a dog with terminal dysentery are remarkable. This time, it's young voters and their reasons for voting. 

2. The youth vote was important but polling backed up what I saw on polling day (this was my third GE as a polling clerk): a real kick in the 35-44 age bracket going Labour.  
  
3. They weren't Corbyn's policies. Unlike the Conservatives, the Labour manifesto wasn't kept secret from so many and was a bit more party political rather than something cooked up by the Downing Street Policy Unit. 

4. What you call 'a fact' is more accurately described as 'conjecture'. 

5. I didn't respond to your mention of it because I haven't conducted anywhere near enough research into the feasibility of the idea. I prefer to speak from a position of knowledge and understanding  rather than shitting out opinion and trying to dress it up as fact. The Express called Corbyn desperate for the idea. Such language was nowhere on the radar when it came to Nigel Farage suggesting a bank holiday for St Georges Day in the same newspaper a year earlier. Another bank holiday has also been spoken about by a number of Conservatives over the years. It's hardly the domain of socialist fuckwittery. 






 

Your just mudslinging again with no points of note whatsoever.

Maybe you were drunk when you wrote the drivel above. 

I find it it hilarious that after Labour lost the election by a significant margin that you can't admit that Corbyn was on fantasy island and would have promised anything to get a vote.

Far fetched policies with no hope of being implemented.

You Sir take the biscuit. Corbyn was the leader of the Labour Party therefore I put it to you that they were his policies and he was communicating them / his views to the electorate. 

Does anyone care what Nigel Farage did or said 12 month earlier? 

Labour over promised in their manifesto and would have drastically under delivered had they been elected. Enjoy your day on fantasy island.



 

fields5069

Shit. I forgot my popcorn.

fields5069

But I would add that there is no evidence to suggest Labour over promised on their manifesto, unless you're one of those people who believe in the "must reduce deficit" mantra. Admittedly it's something the general public can visualise and is often used by politicians on all sides to justify cuts, but there is nothing wrong with increasing the deficit in times of recession.

You could also argue that parties include policies that they are willing to sacrifice in the event of their trying to form a minority government. Oh look! That's exactly what's happening today!

Fretwired

John_P said:

Fretwired said:

Didn't see this coming ... DUP deal off .. potential Lib Dem deal on. I assume the Lib Dems would support May and co for a soft Brexit. Cable could be leader for three years to see government through Brexit.

I'm not questioning your sources - you clearly know way more about this stuff than me but surely they aren't that daft - I'd expect that decision would just about finish of the lib dems as a party.  

No. It's not a coalition. There's one big sticking point with the DUP. Most of them don't attend Westminster that often and there are Tories who rather to do a deal with IS than the DUP.

What I've heard is the Lib Dems will support the government to get a soft Brexit. Done correctly the Lib Dems will be seen as the heroes of the hour. This means the Tories won't be able to pass any controversial policies, say a higher rate tax cut, as the Lib Dems won't back it. Hammond's speech last night was aimed at wooing them - jobs and the economy first - and why Vince Cable wants a 3 year stint as leader.

Let's see ...