XL Bully Dogs.........

Reverend

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-67004053

another death

Dominic

Yes ,exactly ....if people were content with smaller pets the world would be a safer place ......you'd never see headlines like " Teenager nibbled to death by mutant Pet Hamsters "

BillDL

Dominic said:

 ......you'd never see headlines like " Teenager nibbled to death by mutant Pet Hamsters "

I once had to deal with a sudden death where a teenager was nibbled to death by hamsters ...... no wait, it wasn't hamsters it was young Chihuahuas - similar thing really  ...... actually, it wasn't a teenager, it was an elderly woman ....... oh yes, and she had already died from natural causes and the pups had no food other than her ...... I don't think it was reported in a headline ..... but she was nibbled, so it was similar.

idiotwindow

Alterlifeson said:

FYI there is a video of the poor guy who was attacked and died the other day. I've not watched it for obvious reasons but from the comments he was trying to protect his elderly mother who he was out for a walk with. There were a couple of older gentlemen with a stick and a wheelie bin attempting to help but couldn't do much.

It's a genuinely awful and tragic story but I couldn't help laugh at the thought of the old bloke trying to fight off a savage dog with a wheelie bin. Seems to be an image that could sum up society in 21st century Britain.

mikeyrob73

Reverend said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-67004053
another death

Has it actually been confirmed its an XL Bully or is it just the MSM doing their thing of blaming before confirming ? 

either way, tragic , and the owner should be on a manslaughter charge 

menamestom

mikeyrob73 said:

Reverend said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-67004053
another death

Has it actually been confirmed its an XL Bully or is it just the MSM doing their thing of blaming before confirming ? 

Probably somewhere in the middle.  Most the few articles I've seen state 'The police said they think they were XL Bullies'.  
I would imagine a police officer at the seen said something to that effect but it wasn't in the official police statement as they will need to follow protocol and wait for the confirmation.

They are pretty distinctive, but until they complete tests I suppose there's a small chance they are a slightly different breed.

axisus

Seems strange that there have been a spate of attacks in just a couple of weeks. 

euan

It’s been a rising trend, it’s not happened overnight 

hollywoodrox

Cranky said:

darthed1981 said:

BillDL said:

This is all nonsense.  As mentioned in this much older comment in a different thread:

https://www.thefretboard.co.uk/discussion/comment/3581959/#Comment_3581959

and in the following comment in this thread:

https://www.thefretboard.co.uk/discussion/comment/3678109/#Comment_3678109

any vicious dog can easily be controlled by grabbing its "hips" and bending its back legs upwards in a physiotherapy / chiropractic / yoga manipulation.  The person posting that advice has personally seen it in action and used to great effect.

I suspect that this would take an awful lot of training to perfect though, because a dog's hips are behind the dangerous end of the dog 

I'm fairly certain that advice confuses the best way of dealing with an out-of-control dangerous dog (several rounds from a firearm) with trying to entice it to dance a Tango.

Or, as I originally intended, if you’re there when someone else or something else has been attacked by the dog, you could actually be of service by releasing the dogs jaws fairly quickly.  Obviously the one being attacked won’t be lifting the hind legs, I don’t see the point in being flippant about that.

Also, despite a dog’s power, it can also be fairly easily suffocated with a firm headlock while staying behind/on top of it.  Same with cats (I live in cougar country and have heard tell of it being done by an unarmed hiker).

And there’s always pepper spray.  

I don’t mean any of this to say that it’s no big deal or that these dogs should be allowed.  I was afraid of dogs for a lot of my life and would definitely be afraid to be around a large bully, they are a legitimate public safety issue.  I’m just sharing what I hope is helpful info for those of us composed enough to take action in such circumstances.

I remember the guy who killed a cougar while out running on a trail I can’t remember where it was if it was the Appalachian trail or somewhere like California . 

I wondered if pepper spray would work, it’s very debilitating 

hollywoodrox

Sassafras said:

https://www.muscletonebullys.uk/

Look at the gallery. Every single one of those dogs has got cropped ears which is illegal. How come they're allowed to stay in business?
They're breeding genetic freaks while claiming they make wonderful family pets.

The owners look well dodgy and the site  looks like it was done by somebody in 1998

NothingOnTheTele

mikeyrob73 said:

Reverend said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-67004053
another death

Has it actually been confirmed its an XL Bully or is it just the MSM doing their thing of blaming before confirming ? 

either way, tragic , and the owner should be on a manslaughter charge 

The police have said they 'believe' it was an XL bully. They wouldn't say this unless they were almost certain of it. They just use the word 'believe' to cover their backs on the slim offchance that the dog turns out to be a different breed.

digitalscream

NothingOnTheTele said:

mikeyrob73 said:

Reverend said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-67004053
another death

Has it actually been confirmed its an XL Bully or is it just the MSM doing their thing of blaming before confirming ? 

either way, tragic , and the owner should be on a manslaughter charge 

The police have said they 'believe' it was an XL bully. They wouldn't say this unless they were almost certain of it. They just use the word 'believe' to cover their backs on the slim offchance that the dog turns out to be a different breed.

They said that a couple of times before when there was the big thing about Akitas being the most dangerous dog imaginable in the press - they "believe it was an Akita", when it was actually a GSD. Same when there was a spate of huskies being left alone with kids and biting - turned out to be GSDs a couple of times.

So yeah, they do say it even when they don't know. In the above cases, the cynical amongst us might've thought it's because the police use GSDs, so it's less of a PR hassle if the first stories in the press (ie the ones getting the most attention) don't prompt calls for GSDs to be banned.

Moloch

Alterlifeson said:

FYI there is a video of the poor guy who was attacked and died the other day. I've not watched it for obvious reasons but from the comments he was trying to protect his elderly mother who he was out for a walk with. There were a couple of older gentlemen with a stick and a wheelie bin attempting to help but couldn't do much.

I've seen it. The biggest problem with the mooted ban is that they're talking about compulsory neutering and muzzling, which relies upon both the honesty and the competence of their owners. Bearing in mind that they're almost exclusively owned by 'lip filler and weed' trash who would probably score lower on an IQ test than the dogs themselves, I don't see that as enough at all. @Dominic probably got it right with the defanging-or-euthanasia choice, but I can't help but feel it would be better to just cut straight to the latter option.

TeleMaster

Is there any reason why this can't be resolved by putting a short lead and a muzzle law for any dog that is considered to be a dangerous breed, including those little annoying yappy things that seem to attack everything, and any have designated long lead areas at certain times in parks for those dogs on steroids and off lead times for the ones that are reasonable? 

scrumhalf

Making laws is one thing, enforcing them is another as is punishment should the law not be precise.

The simpler the law, the better. 

Offset

I don't know if anyone caught BBC coverage of the rally in London held in support of these mutts.  Some of the owners were interviewed...

All of my preconceptions about the type of person who'd want to own one of these dogs were pretty much validated I'm afraid.  It was like watching vegetable soup being stirred.

euan

Was this the rally where they had to tell their owners not to bring any XL Bullies?

hollywoodrox

scrumhalf said:

Making laws is one thing, enforcing them is another as is punishment should the law not be precise.

The simpler the law, the better. 

I can’t see the police having time to enforce the law until after someone has been attacked 
I can’t imagine them having specific patrols looking out for these dogs . 

Best thing is blanket bans on all large vicious dogs and tight regulations on others 
  Plus some sort of license/test  and even then you’ve still got to enforce it .
  Imagine a big no go estate ,someone reports a dog , the owners hide it away in someone else’s gaff til the heat dies off .  There’s kids out causing all sorts of trouble that can’t be controlled now we’ve got dogs too 

axisus

Offset said:

I don't know if anyone caught BBC coverage of the rally in London held in support of these mutts.  Some of the owners were interviewed...

All of my preconceptions about the type of person who'd want to own one of these dogs were pretty much validated I'm afraid.  It was like watching vegetable soup being stirred.

In all fairness, I have seen a couple of interviews with couples on TV with these dogs, and they were just normal, nice working people. I'm sure that there are a lot of undesirables with them, but there are also 'regular' owners. One couple was having help in training their dog to get used to a muzzle.

Kittyfrisk

digitalscream said:

NothingOnTheTele said:

mikeyrob73 said:

Reverend said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-67004053
another death

Has it actually been confirmed its an XL Bully or is it just the MSM doing their thing of blaming before confirming ? 

either way, tragic , and the owner should be on a manslaughter charge 

The police have said they 'believe' it was an XL bully. They wouldn't say this unless they were almost certain of it. They just use the word 'believe' to cover their backs on the slim offchance that the dog turns out to be a different breed.

They said that a couple of times before when there was the big thing about Akitas being the most dangerous dog imaginable in the press - they "believe it was an Akita", when it was actually a GSD. Same when there was a spate of huskies being left alone with kids and biting - turned out to be GSDs a couple of times.

So yeah, they do say it even when they don't know. In the above cases, the cynical amongst us might've thought it's because the police use GSDs, so it's less of a PR hassle if the first stories in the press (ie the ones getting the most attention) don't prompt calls for GSDs to be banned.

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