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camf

Is there a highlight show anywhere? I can't seem to find one. 

breezytele

camf said:

Is there a highlight show anywhere? I can't seem to find one. camf said:

Channel 4 app has the whole broadcast . You can skip through that to get a feel for the day’s play.

camf

Ah! Hadn’t thought of that. Thanks @breezytele

guitars4you

camf said:

Is there a highlight show anywhere? I can't seem to find one. 

I've not seen one either - You'd have thought Ch4 would have a 1 hour show around 8/9/10 pm

bencowling81

camf said:

Is there a highlight show anywhere? I can't seem to find one. 

Yep, on All4 though and can’t access it via Sky box. Need to go through App.

breezytele

Err,  just in case anyone is in doubt,

this whole series is being shown LIVE on Channel 4.   

This is awesome  !!

just set your timer to record channel 4 from around 4am onwards.

BBC/TMS  commentary is additionally  available via the BBC website, sports section .

(the only missing thing is ‘live TMS’ on radio 5 extra,)

scrumhalf

Rooooooooot!

First batsman to get a double ton in his hundredth test. What a player, in the form of his life. 

Would you have declared to have a half-hour at the Indian batsmen tonight? 

bencowling81

scrumhalf said:

Would you have declared to have a half-hour at the Indian batsmen tonight? 

Against pretty much any other opposition, yes. Against this India team I think it’s right to come out in the morning and throw the bat at it a bit to try and get a few more rapid runs in the first half hour.

Stuckfast

Agreed, make the Indians field for as long as possible. I think we're already seeing the effects with that comical dropped catch from Rohit.

crunchman

scrumhalf said:

Rooooooooot!

First batsman to get a double ton in his hundredth test. What a player, in the form of his life. 

Would you have declared to have a half-hour at the Indian batsmen tonight? 

Yes

When they reached 500 they should have just thrown the bat.  Worst case you are bowled out for 520, and tired Indian batsmen who have been in field for nearly 2 days have a nasty session to survive.  Best case, you make 60 quick runs and declare and still give yourself a chance at the batsmen.

The chances of losing with 520 on the board are negligible.  That was really negative play.

GSPBASSES

The only problem with Channel 4 having this test series they don’t have a highlight show later in the evening, Sky should’ve had it then we would’ve had highlight shows throughout the day.

bencowling81

crunchman 

The chances of losing with 520 on the board are negligible.  That was really negative play.

Yeah, but... https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/england-tour-of-india-2016-17-1030195/india-vs-england-5th-test-1034817/full-scorecard

guitars4you

bencowling81 said:

crunchman 

The chances of losing with 520 on the board are negligible.  That was really negative play.

Yeah, but... https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/england-tour-of-india-2016-17-1030195/india-vs-england-5th-test-1034817/full-scorecard

Some may recall Eng v Aussies -  2006 at Adelaide - And after 1 innings each you would not have thought time for a win for anyone

Eng 1st - 551 for 6 and declared

Aus 1st - 513 all out

Eng 2nd - 129 all out

Aus 2nd - 168-4

So 551 runs and declare and loose - Yes exceptional circumstances - But it does sound as though the pitch is breaking up - If the 2 spinners can do  decent job then we are in with a shout  

crunchman

guitars4you said:

bencowling81 said:

crunchman 

The chances of losing with 520 on the board are negligible.  That was really negative play.

Yeah, but... https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/england-tour-of-india-2016-17-1030195/india-vs-england-5th-test-1034817/full-scorecard

Some may recall Eng v Aussies -  2006 at Adelaide - And after 1 innings each you would not have thought time for a win for anyone

Eng 1st - 551 for 6 and declared

Aus 1st - 513 all out

Eng 2nd - 129 all out

Aus 2nd - 168-4

So 551 runs and declare and loose - Yes exceptional circumstances - But it does sound as though the pitch is breaking up - If the 2 spinners can do  decent job then we are in with a shout  

You can't live in fear of something like that though.

The circumstances are't the same anyway.  In that one where England scored 477 and lost, England were bowled out 6 overs after tea.  That gave India nearly an hour and a half to bat, and they were 60-0 at the end of the day, only 417 behind.  Given England's scoring rate in this innings, there was a lot less time left in the day.  India would still have been 480 or so behind at the end of the day even with a total collapse from England.  That 60 run difference is the best part of an extra session taken out of the game. India wouldn't have overtaken England's score until late on day 4.  You have to back yourself in that situation.

In Adelaide, England batted dreadfully in the second innings.  If you let your strategy be dictated by fear of incompetent batting, you are not in a good place.  This Indian attack is not quite the 2006 Aussie attack either.  Ashwin is a good bowler, but he's not Warne.

Making the final of the World Test Championship is a long shot for England as they have to win 3 matches in this series, but to have any chance they need to be aggressive.  Batting on at a slow pace like that has taken a lot of time out of the game, and significantly increased the odds of the match finishing as a draw.

Stuckfast

Yes but England's strategy for the series has to be based around exhausting the Indian attack. In the 180 overs we've had so far, only Bumrah, Ishant and Ashwin have looked threatening. Ashwin's already bowled 50+ overs. We're playing four Tests in a short space of time.

bencowling81

I’m on the fence. I think I’m going to come back at lunchtime tomorrow and award wisdom retrospectively 

guitars4you

crunchman said:

guitars4you said:

bencowling81 said:

crunchman 

The chances of losing with 520 on the board are negligible.  That was really negative play.

Yeah, but... https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/england-tour-of-india-2016-17-1030195/india-vs-england-5th-test-1034817/full-scorecard

Some may recall Eng v Aussies -  2006 at Adelaide - And after 1 innings each you would not have thought time for a win for anyone

Eng 1st - 551 for 6 and declared

Aus 1st - 513 all out

Eng 2nd - 129 all out

Aus 2nd - 168-4

So 551 runs and declare and loose - Yes exceptional circumstances - But it does sound as though the pitch is breaking up - If the 2 spinners can do  decent job then we are in with a shout  

You can't live in fear of something like that though.

The circumstances are't the same anyway.  In that one where England scored 477 and lost, England were bowled out 6 overs after tea.  That gave India nearly an hour and a half to bat, and they were 60-0 at the end of the day, only 417 behind.  Given England's scoring rate in this innings, there was a lot less time left in the day.  India would still have been 480 or so behind at the end of the day even with a total collapse from England.  That 60 run difference is the best part of an extra session taken out of the game. India wouldn't have overtaken England's score until late on day 4.  You have to back yourself in that situation.

In Adelaide, England batted dreadfully in the second innings.  If you let your strategy be dictated by fear of incompetent batting, you are not in a good place.  This Indian attack is not quite the 2006 Aussie attack either.  Ashwin is a good bowler, but he's not Warne.

Making the final of the World Test Championship is a long shot for England as they have to win 3 matches in this series, but to have any chance they need to be aggressive.  Batting on at a slow pace like that has taken a lot of time out of the game, and significantly increased the odds of the match finishing as a draw.

I think the issue with the Aussie game was England knew they could not win after the end of the Aussie 2nd innings - Not enough time left to build up a decent lead  and then bowl out the Aussies - So they batted with very little objective/purpose 

Anyway back to now and 235-6 looking handy

ennspek

Roooooooot

Heartfeltdawn

crunchman said:

scrumhalf said:

Rooooooooot!

First batsman to get a double ton in his hundredth test. What a player, in the form of his life. 

Would you have declared to have a half-hour at the Indian batsmen tonight? 

Yes

When they reached 500 they should have just thrown the bat.  Worst case you are bowled out for 520, and tired Indian batsmen who have been in field for nearly 2 days have a nasty session to survive.  Best case, you make 60 quick runs and declare and still give yourself a chance at the batsmen.

The chances of losing with 520 on the board are negligible.  That was really negative play.

Had the pitch being doing a lot more, then it would have been negative play but it's not bad really. 

Unless India really collapsed badly in the first innings, we were never going to enforce the follow-on as subjecting the bowlers to two consecutive innings work is hard on a short rapid tour like that and England batting last on a day 5 Indian wicket is something we really don't need. The more we batted in the first innings, the less we have to bat in the second innings if we do get India out for a below par total. 

If we are to win, then we need to roll them in the first session tomorrow. 30 overs bowled, 90 runs added, all out for 350. That gives us a lead of 228. We then bat for a session and a bit and go for a bit of a smear session. 40 overs. 160 added, leaving them 389 for victory in 110 overs. That gives us 20 overs at the end of Day 4 at them, 90 overs on Day 5 with a new ball in the final session. 

Heartfeltdawn

GSPBASSES said:

The only problem with Channel 4 having this test series they don’t have a highlight show later in the evening, Sky should’ve had it then we would’ve had highlight shows throughout the day.

Highlights online:

https://www.channel4.com/programmes/cricket-india-v-england