Game of Thrones

boogieman

Cirrus said:

I'm struggling to imagine how the conclusion could live up to the immense complexity and scope of the rest of the story - the thing that made the earlier books so fantastic, and the characters so compelling, is that they're all struggling to survive and thrive in a real, ongoing world filled with shades of grey, good and bad luck, strong and weak characters. Largely it's not about goodies and baddies.

Wrapping up a world into a neat "beginning, middle & end" storytelling format kind of goes against the natural order of the world as a messy place with loose ends. But we hate loose ends (see: Lost) and we hate contrived endings (see: Lost). So it's not easy to finish something like this in a satisfying way.

The tv series is never going to be as complex as the books, it would take dozens of series. The good thing about the tv version is it’s never taken the soft fluffy option and hasn’t been afraid to kill off major characters. I honestly don’t know how it’ll all get resolved but it’s bound to be better than Lost, whatever happens. 

Cirrus

boogieman said:

The tv series is never going to be as complex as the books, it would take dozens of series. The good thing about the tv version is it’s never taken the soft fluffy option and hasn’t been afraid to kill off major characters. I honestly don’t know how it’ll all get resolved but it’s bound to be better than Lost, whatever happens. 

The Tv series is actually pretty faithful a lot of the time - it just gets rid of the shit bits. And halfway through, where it did re-work or deviate from the books (at about the point the books started to jump the shark) I think the TV series improved the story; We managed to avoid an entire episode of Brienne going for a walk and sharing a meal with some travellers, for example.

TimmyO

stickyfiddle said:

I reckon if it was intentional it would've been more similar.  The arm-mosiac was just a symmetrical swirly pattern.

My money's still on Night King = Bran, somehow. 

We saw who the night king is (I think - I'm not among the bigger nerds on this stuff) - there was a flashback to when the children of the forest created the white walkers to fight the first men - I thought the man they showed them killing to create them was meant to show the creation of the night king? 

TimmyO

The battle of winterfell is going to be epic I think.

They've shown they have a way of doing these set pieces that is actually dramatic and entertaining. 

When you see a big fight in a Marvel movie it's just all progressively bigger punches and buildings falling over with no real tension. 
The Battle of the Bastards was epic - OTT yes but edge of seat stuff (imo) - same with the fight at the baggage train (apart from Bronn and Jamie finding the mariana trench 2 feet into a stream) and the blackwater (although that one was vastly more exciting in the book,  oddly) 

As for where the story will go - he's shown he could take it absolutely ANYWHERE and I like that. 

The only thing I think they've deliberately set up is the tension between Jon and Danaerys when she finds out her claim should cede to his - she won't and there will be tears before bedtime. And maybe by then his dragon will be truly his. 

Longtallronnie

Jon and Dany to get married and have a child with an extra toe, learning difficulties and above average banjo skills. 

boogieman

Cirrus said:

boogieman said:

The tv series is never going to be as complex as the books, it would take dozens of series. The good thing about the tv version is it’s never taken the soft fluffy option and hasn’t been afraid to kill off major characters. I honestly don’t know how it’ll all get resolved but it’s bound to be better than Lost, whatever happens. 

The Tv series is actually pretty faithful a lot of the time - it just gets rid of the shit bits. And halfway through, where it did re-work or deviate from the books (at about the point the books started to jump the shark) I think the TV series improved the story; We managed to avoid an entire episode of Brienne going for a walk and sharing a meal with some travellers, for example.

Ah well, I’ll admit I haven’t read the books. My wife has, including the latest one which she reckoned was really hard going: lots of Tolkienesque rambling back-history and endless lists of X begat Y, etc etc  

I imagine it would’ve been tempting for the tv producers to tie up all the loose ends and have obviously set-up story lines rolling out to happy endings, but I really hope they stick to the spirit of the earlier series and keep the unpredictability going. 

darthed1981

I think whatever ending we get, the internet will probably be unhappy to a greater or lesser extent.

It will probably be the broad stroaks of what George plans to write into his books, but it doesn't matter because the 7th book will likely never be published.  George will prevaricate unto the grave and I wouldn't bet on book six getting over the line (he clearly hasn't finished it) let alone book seven.

Ironically, that means you would within a year get BOTH published, finished by a jobbing writer, but the finish to the show is likely the only "official" ending you will see.

Jalapeno

I've pretty much given up on the books being finished in George's lifetime, job for a posthumous editor I think

boogieman

I thought GRRM had agreed a general story arc with the tv producers of where things would end up? 

snakemanStoo

Jon Snow wakes up in Winterfell and realises it was all a dream.

Axe_meister

Jon will die. Danny becomes a lesbian as does Cercie, and they rule as terrible Queens

TimmyO

boogieman said:

Cirrus said:

boogieman said:

The tv series is never going to be as complex as the books, it would take dozens of series. The good thing about the tv version is it’s never taken the soft fluffy option and hasn’t been afraid to kill off major characters. I honestly don’t know how it’ll all get resolved but it’s bound to be better than Lost, whatever happens. 

The Tv series is actually pretty faithful a lot of the time - it just gets rid of the shit bits. And halfway through, where it did re-work or deviate from the books (at about the point the books started to jump the shark) I think the TV series improved the story; We managed to avoid an entire episode of Brienne going for a walk and sharing a meal with some travellers, for example.

Ah well, I’ll admit I haven’t read the books. My wife has, including the latest one which she reckoned was really hard going: lots of Tolkienesque rambling back-history and endless lists of X begat Y, etc etc  

I imagine it would’ve been tempting for the tv producers to tie up all the loose ends and have obviously set-up story lines rolling out to happy endings, but I really hope they stick to the spirit of the earlier series and keep the unpredictability going. 

I made the mistake of thinking the latest book was a
Novel in the series - it's actually a 'history' book - I stopped reading when I realised 

octatonic

They will all die, eventually.

boogieman

TimmyO said:

boogieman said:

Cirrus said:

boogieman said:

The tv series is never going to be as complex as the books, it would take dozens of series. The good thing about the tv version is it’s never taken the soft fluffy option and hasn’t been afraid to kill off major characters. I honestly don’t know how it’ll all get resolved but it’s bound to be better than Lost, whatever happens. 

The Tv series is actually pretty faithful a lot of the time - it just gets rid of the shit bits. And halfway through, where it did re-work or deviate from the books (at about the point the books started to jump the shark) I think the TV series improved the story; We managed to avoid an entire episode of Brienne going for a walk and sharing a meal with some travellers, for example.

Ah well, I’ll admit I haven’t read the books. My wife has, including the latest one which she reckoned was really hard going: lots of Tolkienesque rambling back-history and endless lists of X begat Y, etc etc  

I imagine it would’ve been tempting for the tv producers to tie up all the loose ends and have obviously set-up story lines rolling out to happy endings, but I really hope they stick to the spirit of the earlier series and keep the unpredictability going. 

I made the mistake of thinking the latest book was a
Novel in the series - it's actually a 'history' book - I stopped reading when I realised 

It makes you wonder how much investment he has in pushing the series on when he gets sidetracked for years with pointless backstories. Don’t blame you for ditching it. My missus struggled through the whole thing... it does pick up for a while in the middle of the book apparently. 

JerkMoans

octatonic said:

They will all die, eventually.

Valar morghulis  

Snap

I think I read somewhere that the GoT TV writers had agreed to do a prequel series, but I could be wrong. I also read that the battle of Winterfell promises to be the longest and best battle scene yet.

ToneControl

I read that they had already started on the prequel

https://www.harpersbazaar.com/culture/film-tv/a12438310/game-of-thrones-prequel-spin-off-series-news/

ToneControl

CHRISB50

Snap said:

I think I read somewhere that the GoT TV writers had agreed to do a prequel series, but I could be wrong. I also read that the battle of Winterfell promises to be the longest and best battle scene yet.

They’ve commissioned 3 or 4 pilots for new series that will be linked to GoT I think. 

I think 3 are prequels although I read there was a successor as well. 

JerkMoans

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