Line 6 Helix

sgosden

Drew_TNBD said:

I went back to the single pedals yesterday for a bit - DD500, Nemesis, Timeline, RV5, Polara.

The Helix sounds better than them and it can do sounds that none of those can do! I think I'm basically a full on convert now.

Almost at the same stage. only things I haven't be able to do are;

- really warbley (is that a word?) tape delays like I can get on timeline

- a fuller feeling tubescreamer. like what I get with EQD palisades.

In fact last night I was trying to get my analogue rig to sound more like my main patch in Helix.

gibsongretschfan

Digital_Igloo said:

As of this writing, 2.30 will probably have 5 new amps and 7 new effects, but only a few (very minor) features. It won't work with the old editor, so you'll need to download HX Edit, which is based on Helix Native's GUI and should be available at the same time.

No idea on when it'll drop; we need to get snapshots, a tuner, and MIDI added to Helix Native (1.10?) first.

It's a shame there's no way to release new amps and effects as they are ready. Seems a sin to have them sitting there wasting away... digitally of course 

John_A

gibsongretschfan said:

Digital_Igloo said:

As of this writing, 2.30 will probably have 5 new amps and 7 new effects, but only a few (very minor) features. It won't work with the old editor, so you'll need to download HX Edit, which is based on Helix Native's GUI and should be available at the same time.

No idea on when it'll drop; we need to get snapshots, a tuner, and MIDI added to Helix Native (1.10?) first.

It's a shame there's no way to release new amps and effects as they are ready. Seems a sin to have them sitting there wasting away... digitally of course 

They could easily do that with multiple revision releases but that isn't the way Line 6 do things.  IMO it would take the excitement out of the major releases

Drew_TNBD

sgosden said:

In fact last night I was trying to get my analogue rig to sound more like my main patch in Helix.

Yeah that's what I was doing too! Actually I was trying to do two things:

- Come up with a sound on the Helix that got close to the Boss Tera Echo. Found it very difficult because essentially the Helix would need a delay model with 20+ taps, and a filtering parameter for each tap. But I did get some usable sounds that were good enough.

- Come up with a sound on any of my delay pedals that got close to my Helix 'oscillation' effect. Nigh on impossible to get the same aggressive character from the Timeline, Boss, or Nemesis.

So now I'm obsessed with exploring oscillation noises.

sgosden

Drew_TNBD said:

 

So now I'm obsessed with exploring oscillation noises.

How are you doing the oscillating? sounds like that I'm attempting with the tape, but getting closer with the Adriatic.

Drew_TNBD

sgosden said:

Drew_TNBD said:

 

So now I'm obsessed with exploring oscillation noises.

How are you doing the oscillating? sounds like that I'm attempting with the tape, but getting closer with the Adriatic.

Yeah I'm using the Adriatic too. But I'm processing it after the fact - it goes through an EQ to tame the tone, a compressor to make sure that no matter how crazy the oscillations get it never goes above a certain volume, and then another delay to mush it up a bit, followed by a bit of reverb to tame the dryness.

Basically my 'oscillation' chain sits in a parallel path. In total I have two reverbs and 4 delays in the whole patch! Can't do that with a Timeline.

menamestom

Digital_Igloo said:

As of this writing, 2.30 will probably have 5 new amps and 7 new effects, but only a few (very minor) features. It won't work with the old editor, so you'll need to download HX Edit, which is based on Helix Native's GUI and should be available at the same time.

No idea on when it'll drop; we need to get snapshots, a tuner, and MIDI added to Helix Native (1.10?) first.

7 new effects, that's great! 

My own wish list is a POG type effect, HD ambient reverb (ala WET), MIAB drive box, a feedback pedal, another ambient type delay, phase 45, cleanish boost like an RC clone.

Although I'm happy with what is in 2.2, but any of the above would be nice. 

Digital_Igloo

gibsongretschfan said:
It's a shame there's no way to release new amps and effects as they are ready. Seems a sin to have them sitting there wasting away... digitally of course 

Tell that to all the people clamoring for Helix Native. As all the Helix SKUs require preset compatibility, they'd then have to wait notably longer to get all the 2.30 stuff in and tested.

Drew_TNBD

Any more saucy tidbits on the new effects?? Anything reverb or delay based? I'm moist with anticipation. The perfect combination of werdz.

fretmeister

I'll laugh my arse off if all the new stuff is bass related again.

The amount of whinging pillocks on the FB group was amazing. "Waaaahhh it's all bass. Nothing for me me me!"

Nobbers.

guitarfishbay

fretmeister said:

I'll laugh my arse off if all the new stuff is bass related again.

The amount of whinging pillocks on the FB group was amazing. "Waaaahhh it's all bass. Nothing for me me me!"

Nobbers.

Lol.

As if there isn't enough stuff already for the price! There was probably less when they bought it too.

Drew_TNBD

I love the bass stuff. I've got a Darkglass B7K, and I do love it... but lordy I don't really use it!! I just use the Helix.

But yeah.... the same way the Axe FX has 200 odd amps... I want 200 odd delays. lol.

robinbowes

menamestom said:

My own wish list is a POG type effect, HD ambient reverb (ala WET), MIAB drive box,

I too would like to see a POG. However, why do you want a MIAB pedal? You literally have a Marshal in a box. In fact, you have several Marshalls in a box. Why would you want a pedal? 

R. 

stratman3142

robinbowes said:

menamestom said:

My own wish list is a POG type effect, HD ambient reverb (ala WET), MIAB drive box,

I too would like to see a POG. However, why do you want a MIAB pedal? You literally have a Marshal in a box. In fact, you have several Marshalls in a box. Why would you want a pedal? 

R. 

I tried to recreate the sound of my Angry Charlie and couldn't get anywhere near with the Marshall ampsims.

I think that what people call a MIAB pedal actually sounds fatter and warmer than a Marshall when put in front of a good clean amp. I wonder whether MIAB might be a misnomer, based on a possibly incorrect perception of what people think a Marshall sounds like, rather than the reality.

John_A

robinbowes said:

menamestom said:

My own wish list is a POG type effect, HD ambient reverb (ala WET), MIAB drive box,

I too would like to see a POG. However, why do you want a MIAB pedal? You literally have a Marshal in a box. In fact, you have several Marshalls in a box. Why would you want a pedal? 

R. 

If he's running in to a clean amp rather than FRFR I can see the need. That's how I initially used the Helix and did miss my crunch box.  Using it FRFR mainly with the JCM800 model now and don't miss it at all

sgosden

Hoping for more hot-rodded marshal types, Friendman or splawn maybes.

menamestom

robinbowes said:

menamestom said:

My own wish list is a POG type effect, HD ambient reverb (ala WET), MIAB drive box,

I too would like to see a POG. However, why do you want a MIAB pedal? You literally have a Marshal in a box. In fact, you have several Marshalls in a box. Why would you want a pedal? 

R. 

I've been through this several times, but I use my helix into a clean amp, so just want a model of something like a Crunchbox for that purpose.  Running a Marshall preamp into a clean amp doesn't quite work.   Any decent rock type OD/dist would do really, the OCD is okay, but like real OCD's doesn't quite do it for me.
I'm not sure why this is a request everybody questions, as loads if people who use Marshall type amps still seem to have pedals like this on their pedalboard!  (Perhaps the term 'MIAB' is the problem, so just replace that with fat tight drive)

menamestom

John_A said:

robinbowes said:

menamestom said:

My own wish list is a POG type effect, HD ambient reverb (ala WET), MIAB drive box,

I too would like to see a POG. However, why do you want a MIAB pedal? You literally have a Marshal in a box. In fact, you have several Marshalls in a box. Why would you want a pedal? 

R. 

If he's running in to a clean amp rather than FRFR I can see the need. That's how I initially used the Helix and did miss my crunch box.  Using it FRFR mainly with the JCM800 model now and don't miss it at all

Yes mate, i'm running into a Princeton Reverb or MJW Bantam.  May add FRFR at some point but love my current setup so no rush.

Musicman20

Beware - Newbie Helix post - I might get one.

I unfortunately don't have an effects loop on my Fender or Orange amps, although I suppose I could use the Katana. Bass wise, I could quite easily use the effects loop. I don't really want more speakers/cabs in my house at the moment, so how does the Helix sound straight into the front of an amp, like say a Fender 68 Custom Deluxe?

I really like my current amps so I don't want to go down the route of no amp and just the Helix and an FRFR type setup. My feeling was I could use it as a guitar effects board, bass effects board, add the odd pedal in, and use it in the practice room straight into the PA for now.

John_A

menamestom said:

John_A said:

robinbowes said:

menamestom said:

My own wish list is a POG type effect, HD ambient reverb (ala WET), MIAB drive box,

I too would like to see a POG. However, why do you want a MIAB pedal? You literally have a Marshal in a box. In fact, you have several Marshalls in a box. Why would you want a pedal? 

R. 

If he's running in to a clean amp rather than FRFR I can see the need. That's how I initially used the Helix and did miss my crunch box.  Using it FRFR mainly with the JCM800 model now and don't miss it at all

Yes mate, i'm running into a Princeton Reverb or MJW Bantam.  May add FRFR at some point but love my current setup so no rush.

I loved my amp too - main one was a JTM45 until I tried the Helix FRFR.  It really is the way forward IMO.  When I first got it I spent the afternoon trying to make my Helix sound like my amp then spent the evening trying to make my amp sound like the Helix