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And thank you for your perspective, perhaps I'm just too used to expecting negativity here, that I've spread my own. If that is how Steve meant it, my apologies.
I'll pipe down now!
Back on topic, I'm listening to Collier's newest album and it's certainly interesting. Fairly simple songs at their heart but then with all kinds of dressing and ornamentation coming from all kinds of directions. At times fun, at times challenging, there's a lot going on. It's fun from a "oh that's an interesting colour" perspective.
https://edmorgan.info
Won't say I could listen to his music endlessly on repeat, but he does some incredibly interesting stuff. I hear a bit of Prince in there in some of his tracks. A young musician follows their own path rather than endless copy and paste 4 chord pop songs and it's all 'yeah, he's obviously talented but can't write a good song' like that's the only way to be valid musically. Such utter nonsense. People pushing boundaries and innovating should be encouraged as, even if they miss as much as they hit, it paves the way for other musicians who might take influence from it and do something incredible.
If the litmus test for being worthwhile musically is whether you can write bloody Wonderwall or not then we all might as well pack up and go home as obviously wasting our time. However, that's so obviously not the case. Always a bunch of comments in threads here about buying this guitar or that amp along the lines of 'you should worry less about the gear and spend money on lessons' or 'spend less time on the forum, more time making music'. People get good, go out and make music and it's then all 'NO, NOT LIKE THAT'.
I listened to a bit of Djesse IV this morning - I'm not infinitely knowledgeable about his back catalogue but this came across as his most complete record to date. To call it "boring" or "bland" or "soulless" or whatever is just plain weird honestly, his compositional voice is fairly unique. If it's not your thing fine (personally I don't like the style of production) - but he's one of the most interesting pop artists out there these days. If you have an interest in music we should be celebrating him, getting a general audience to get used to extended harmony like this can only be a good thing for music as a whole.
His work sounds like if a score was created by a constraint satisfaction algorithm.
No wonder we still idolise players and guitars from almost 70 years ago.
I include myself in that crowd, by the way.
Don't forget that players like Hendrix and EVH were actually villified by many players when they first emerged because they were too "different".
Innovators stand little chance.
There's a video on you tube...I think its this one but could be another with a similar name:
Basically Herbie Hancock and Jacob Collier play increasingly obtusely harmonised versions of a simple tune (I think it is the saints go marching in). By the end the output is just total garbage and they're just winking and nudging each other like "see what i did there".
It wouldn't be so aggravating had I not also watched enough interviews with him to realise how insanely talented he is.
This is some TGP vibe, there are 60+ classic rock dudes who occasionally discover Polyphia or similar TikTok product, and suddenly it's the future of music and something fresh and never heard before.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCg_imQDC4eUOjuBBRl2mBwA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyQgllCIpqY
https://rozaliftwave.bandcamp.com/