XL Bully Dogs.........

Dominic

the_jaffa said:

tony99 said:

Dominic said:

Latest News ...........looks like they are about to be banned 
2 of them just killed a man in Staffordshire and that was the last straw

I didn't think the breed of dog in that attack had been determined 

Quote:

"Staffordshire Police say the two dogs involved in a fatal attack in Stonnall are believed to be XL bully dogs.

One of the dogs has died after being restrained and the other has died after an injection was given by a vet, police confirm.

"Further tests are being carried out today to determine their breed," they say in a statement."

Sounds like they were Bully XLs but because the breed is not entirely defined they are being circumspect until they are confirmed.

dogs or humans.........it's quite remarkable how many things have a tendency to die whilst ' being restrained by Police '
it's a bit Steve Biko

tony99

the_jaffa said:

tony99 said:

Dominic said:

Latest News ...........looks like they are about to be banned 
2 of them just killed a man in Staffordshire and that was the last straw

I didn't think the breed of dog in that attack had been determined 

Quote:

"Staffordshire Police say the two dogs involved in a fatal attack in Stonnall are believed to be XL bully dogs.

One of the dogs has died after being restrained and the other has died after an injection was given by a vet, police confirm.

"Further tests are being carried out today to determine their breed," they say in a statement."

Sounds like they were Bully XLs but because the breed is not entirely defined they are being circumspect until they are confirmed.

Ah fair enough, I read a different account

AK99

Dominic said:

Latest News ...........looks like they are about to be banned 
2 of them just killed a man in Staffordshire and that was the last straw

FFS - that's medieval. Poor guy.

I don't know if the two dogs belonged to the same owner, but if so it seems for some reason to be even more criminal than it would be otherwise.

TeleMaster

menamestom said:

Interesting take from a dog behaviorist, who doesn't believe in breed specific legislation and that dog agression is not necessarily inherent to a particular breed:-

The American XL Bully Dog | Doglistener

I dunno, seems like having lots of mad dogs on the street for him to treat is good for business, whereas banning them is not. 

Jo-to-po

TeleMaster said:

menamestom said:

Interesting take from a dog behaviorist, who doesn't believe in breed specific legislation and that dog agression is not necessarily inherent to a particular breed:-

The American XL Bully Dog | Doglistener

I dunno, seems like having lots of mad dogs on the street for him to treat is good for business, whereas banning them is not. 

And if you'd actually read the article you'd have seen that he advocates banning this particular breed.

fastonebaz

Are we allowed to walk through the park with a tiger or hyena on a lead?  

tony99

fastonebaz said:

Are we allowed to walk through the park with a tiger or hyena on a lead?  

Tigers yes, if you really love their feet, that's sweet.

But hyenas? You having a laugh?

Dominic

AK99 said:

Dominic said:

Latest News ...........looks like they are about to be banned 
2 of them just killed a man in Staffordshire and that was the last straw

FFS - that's medieval. Poor guy.

I don't know if the two dogs belonged to the same owner, but if so it seems for some reason to be even more criminal than it would be otherwise.

Apparently he was 52 and died protecting his mother after they mauled him for 20 minutes having jumped out of a window at their home .A truly terrible death .
Nobody should have to risk that fate whatever the law says about dogs .

bbill335

most people can't even watch a film at the cinema without looking at their phone, drive like an adult, yet they think they can be responsible for an unpredictable ball of teeth and muscle much faster and stronger than themselves? give me a break. people can't control themselves, let alone a vanity fightdog. 

AK99

Dominic said:

AK99 said:

FFS - that's medieval. Poor guy.

I don't know if the two dogs belonged to the same owner, but if so it seems for some reason to be even more criminal than it would be otherwise.

Apparently he was 52 and died protecting his mother after they mauled him for 20 minutes having jumped out of a window at their home .A truly terrible death .
Nobody should have to risk that fate whatever the law says about dogs .

Chr**t - can you imagine being bitten and mauled like that for a minute even. Aw man.

menamestom

TeleMaster said:

menamestom said:

Interesting take from a dog behaviorist, who doesn't believe in breed specific legislation and that dog agression is not necessarily inherent to a particular breed:-

The American XL Bully Dog | Doglistener

I dunno, seems like having lots of mad dogs on the street for him to treat is good for business, whereas banning them is not. 

That's the point, even he thinks the XL Bully is too much and as a breed has crossed the line. 

This was really to point out to poeple that believe this is just the latest breed, in a long line of sensationalist media led knee jerk reactions, it really isn't.

Dominic

I don't for one moment think it's a knee jerk ........I think something needs to be done quickly ....why call it a knee-jerk ?
The fact that there has been a sudden spate of death is pretty serious.
The old newspaper editor line " Dog bites man isn't news ...........man bites dog is " ......is true ;
"Dog bites man ",sure happens all the time ..........Dog mauls man/child etc to death and is an unstoppable monstrosity certainly is news . 
If you've seen these things ( I have now seen 3 ) they are fearsome .
Get rid.

Offset

I'd go further.  I'd say that existing BXLs shouldn't be put on an exemption list - they should all be put down (preferably along with their owners).  How many more people do you want to die?

mikeyrob73

Dominic said:

I don't for one moment think it's a knee jerk ........I think something needs to be done quickly ....why call it a knee-jerk ?
The fact that there has been a sudden spate of death is pretty serious.
The old newspaper editor line " Dog bites man isn't news ...........man bites dog is " ......is true ;
"Dog bites man ",sure happens all the time ..........Dog mauls man/child etc to death and is an unstoppable monstrosity certainly is news . 
If you've seen these things ( I have now seen 3 ) they are fearsome .
Get rid.

Do you think for one second banning this “ breed” is going to fix the problem ? 

The problem will return with a different breed and until we fix the actual problem ,Dogs as weapons, there is very little recourse on the owner. Start holding owners responsible and you soon see a change. The owner/s of these dogs should be on a murder charge, for me it’s that simple. 

And yes I have seen “these things” I have met a few and everyone I have met have been well trained and well socialised. 

They are units. They are big dogs but that does not make them “devil dogs” 
but without proper handling and decent breeding these things are going to keep happening. 

Stop back yard breeders breeding these things bigger and bigger, stop back yard breeders selling these things to anyone and everyone ( roadman init ) make them registered , stop these scrotes using dogs as weapons. Deal with the fucking problem not just ban a breed of dog because roadman will just move onto the next breed until it’s banned 

danishbacon

The most enlightening thing for me has been reading up on the incidents list and looking at the repercussions to owners. It’s very little for a lot of damage. 

Gilly

danishbacon said:

The most enlightening thing for me has been reading up on the incidents list and looking at the repercussions to owners. It’s very little for a lot of damage. 

And therein lies the problem. As usual the government will go for a headline grabbing “solution” that won’t address the real problem. 

Cranky

Maybe there should be a program where XL bullies are put up for adoption, but then anyone who comes in looking to adopt gets arrested.

AK99

^ Torn between a lol and a wis for that. I went for the former, because I did

menamestom

mikeyrob73 said:

Dominic said:

I don't for one moment think it's a knee jerk ........

Me neither.  There has always been irresponsible owners, using them as fighting dogs and weapons.

But the jump with this breed has been statistically very significant.

Doesn’t mean you don’t tackle the owners as well.

menamestom

mikeyrob73 said:

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Stop back yard breeders breeding these things bigger and bigger, 

That’s literally what has been happening with the
Bully XL.   (Clue is in the title, you can also get an XXL apparently?

Did you read the article I posted btw? 

Agree on punishing the owners severely but that won’t put others off and is very much after the horse has bolted.

It is mainly on the owners in all cases, but as the link I posted said from the dog behaviourist said this breed is a bit different and the only breed he will not work with because if its unpredictability.