Lab grown meat approved for use in the UK

manicguitarist

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/article/2024/jul/17/uk-first-european-country-to-approve-cultivated-meat-starting-with-pet-food

This is wrong.

TheMarlin

I won’t even eat Quorn (bleached mould grown in a chemical slurry), not a chance in hell I’ll ever eat that fake lab grown meat. 

I’ve been a Vegetarian for over 40 years.  

monquixote

manicguitarist said:

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/article/2024/jul/17/uk-first-european-country-to-approve-cultivated-meat-starting-with-pet-food

This is wrong.

Why is it wrong?

If we can make something with all the properties of meat with a lower cost and carbon footprint and without cruelty to animals that sounds like a win to me.

Petepassion

I guess if we can get to a point where we can substitute beef, chicken, lamb, etc with man made products and proven to be safe and also giving us the associated nutrients, then surely this is the way to go? 

manicguitarist

If you can't see how 100% processed food made in a factory is worse for you than 100% natural food - then I don't have a lot to add to this thread.

Petepassion

manicguitarist said:

If you can't see how 100% processed food made in a factory is worse for you than 100% natural food - then I don't have a lot to add to this thread.

But for how long is this sustainable? And at what the price?

TheMarlin

Petepassion said:

manicguitarist said:

If you can't see how 100% processed food made in a factory is worse for you than 100% natural food - then I don't have a lot to add to this thread.

But for how long is this sustainable? And at what the price?

Think about the shareholders, won’t anybody think about the shareholders? They need their money. 

manicguitarist

Petepassion said:

manicguitarist said:

If you can't see how 100% processed food made in a factory is worse for you than 100% natural food - then I don't have a lot to add to this thread.

But for how long is this sustainable? And at what the price?

Well, it has been sustainable since time began. Despite what we're told - we are not a special generation.

RaymondLin

Petepassion said:

I guess if we can get to a point where we can substitute beef, chicken, lamb, etc with man made products and proven to be safe and also giving us the associated nutrients, then surely this is the way to go? 

Re the processed food stuff.  There is already a group of people who think stuff like Huel are "complete meal replacements".  It's even in their slogan, and people drink that stuff all the time, and buy into it. 

They think food science has hit the end goal and we know everything about our body and we know everything there is to know about food science and this drink has everything the body needs, and nothing else and nothing more ever to know or need.  Otherwise they wouldn't use the word "complete" and actually say "everything your body needs".

Petepassion

RaymondLin said:

Petepassion said:

I guess if we can get to a point where we can substitute beef, chicken, lamb, etc with man made products and proven to be safe and also giving us the associated nutrients, then surely this is the way to go? 

Re the processed food stuff.  There is already a group of people who think stuff like Huel are "complete meal replacements".  It's even in their slogan, and people drink that stuff all the time, and buy into it. 

They think food science has hit the end goal and we know everything about our body and we know everything there is to know about food science and this drink has everything the body needs, and nothing else and nothing more ever to know or need.  Otherwise they wouldn't use the word "complete".

The key word is’IF’.

Petepassion

manicguitarist said:

Petepassion said:

manicguitarist said:

If you can't see how 100% processed food made in a factory is worse for you than 100% natural food - then I don't have a lot to add to this thread.

But for how long is this sustainable? And at what the price?

Well, it has been sustainable since time began. Despite what we're told - we are not a special generation.

The planet stays the same size throughout time, but the human race doesn’t, therefore not everything remains sustainable 

Sporky

manicguitarist said:

If you can't see how 100% processed food made in a factory is worse for you than 100% natural food - then I don't have a lot to add to this thread.

I don't think this necessarily follows - natural us not always better. Natural includes killer bees and antimony. 

manicguitarist

Sporky said:

manicguitarist said:

If you can't see how 100% processed food made in a factory is worse for you than 100% natural food - then I don't have a lot to add to this thread.

I don't think this necessarily follows - natural us not always better. Natural includes killer bees and antimony. 

And zombies.

Offset

Guaranteed to push me ever further down the path of not eating meat.

Sporky

manicguitarist said:

Sporky said:

manicguitarist said:

If you can't see how 100% processed food made in a factory is worse for you than 100% natural food - then I don't have a lot to add to this thread.

I don't think this necessarily follows - natural us not always better. Natural includes killer bees and antimony. 

And zombies.

Indeed. 

I'm not particularly a fan of highly processed goods, but that's because they tend to be built to be addictive.

Western meat consumption with current population levels isn't sustainable though. So either we (collectively) eat less, or we find an alternative.

It'd be interesting to see if lab grown is environmentally less damaging than intensive farming. 

RaymondLin

Petepassion said:

RaymondLin said:

Petepassion said:

I guess if we can get to a point where we can substitute beef, chicken, lamb, etc with man made products and proven to be safe and also giving us the associated nutrients, then surely this is the way to go? 

Re the processed food stuff.  There is already a group of people who think stuff like Huel are "complete meal replacements".  It's even in their slogan, and people drink that stuff all the time, and buy into it. 

They think food science has hit the end goal and we know everything about our body and we know everything there is to know about food science and this drink has everything the body needs, and nothing else and nothing more ever to know or need.  Otherwise they wouldn't use the word "complete".

The key word is’IF’.

To these group of people, it's not IF, it's already there.

There is no ambiguity in their statement.  It is nutritionally complete  and everything your body needs.

fretmeister

I think I need to know more about the process before deciding whether it is wrong or not.

There's lots of people in the world who think that processed automatically means worse and that is not true. Reclaimed salt is processed but it is still only NaCl and yet millions of people think that there must be at least 2 versions of NaCl when there isn't.

There are dozens of people who don't want chemicals in their food and then get upset when they get laughed at for putting salt and vinegar on their chips. American BBQ groups are particularly hard work. They complain that "chemicals" leech out of aluminium dishes and grills but then cook the food with heated smoke that is absolutely full of a variety of compounds, some of which are known to not be not at all healthy and in some cases carcinogenic.

And there's that lovely USA survey were a significant minority wanted to ban DNA from food...

stickyfiddle

Arsenic and cyanide are natural. So is crude oil. I wouldn't recommend ingesting any of them.

Equally, pure NaCl table salt is easy to make in a lab and perfectly safe. 

A lot of "manufactured" food is garbage, but that's because the people in charge of making it decided to make it garbage in the name of commerce, not just because it's manufactured. 

I'm 100% in favour of a steak or bacon sandwich that doesn't involve the killing of an animal.  

oh_pollo

If anyone thinks that the meat in your butchers is 100% natural food then I have a bridge to sell them.

fretmeister

Also, the term "Lab Grown" is such a loaded, pejorative term.

Louise Brown was lab grown too. 

stickyfiddle

As for Huel, I think it's horrible and don't want to go down that road personally, but that's because I like cooking and I like eating food, and I like the social element that comes from cooking for and eating with friends. But I'm not going to suggest it's not a viable choice for folks who don't feel the same way about food as I do.