EU Referendum Vote - Poll

Phil_aka_Pip

Sporky said:

Sambostar said:

In my world, everyone would be self employed.

I don't think that'd be efficient.

Companies are good abstraction layers; I'm a lot more productive when I can concentrate on the things I'm good at.

I agree with you @Sporky. If I were a self-employed software engineer I'd be doing accounts, looking for my next contract and all the crap that goes with it, instead of spending 100% of my working time on software engineering (well, less the few minutes I spend on this site ) Frankly, I don't want to be bothered with accounts, marketing etc, I just like brewing up software.

ICBM

Sambostar said:

Why do they always make you use pencil at the polling booths?

So they can rub it out and fill in the right answer later, of course!

UnclePsychosis

Ipsos Mori poll shows economists overwhelmingly back Remain - 88% believe Brexit would negatively affect GDP in short term and 72% in long
term.

Still, Boris Johnson is definitely in this for the greater good so maybe we should take him at his word instead.

https://www.ipsos-mori.com/researchpublications/researcharchive/3739/Economists-Views-on-Brexit.aspx

Fretwired

UnclePsychosis said:

Ipsos Mori poll shows economists overwhelmingly back Remain - 88% believe Brexit would negatively affect GDP in short term and 72% in long
term.

Still, Boris Johnson is definitely in this for the greater good so maybe we should take him at his word instead.

https://www.ipsos-mori.com/researchpublications/researcharchive/3739/Economists-Views-on-Brexit.aspx

Are these the same people who forecast doom and catastrophe if the UK didn't join the Euro? How many of them saw the banking crash coming? I'd rather flip a coin that take the advice of an economist.

UnclePsychosis

Fretwired;1091161" said:

UnclePsychosis said:

Ipsos Mori poll shows economists overwhelmingly back Remain - 88% believe Brexit would negatively affect GDP in short term and 72% in long

term.



Still, Boris Johnson is definitely in this for the greater good so maybe we should take him at his word instead.



https://www.ipsos-mori.com/researchpublications/researcharchive/3739/Economists-Views-on-Brexit.aspx












Are these the same people who forecast doom and catastrophe if the UK didn't join the Euro? How many of them saw the banking crash coming? I'd rather flip a coin that take the advice of an economist.

Brexit in a nutshell: insult anyone who says anything you don't like and put your faith in blind luck instead.

koneguitarist

Leave.

Chalky

UnclePsychosğis;1091169" said:

[quote="Fretwired;1091161"]UnclePsychosis said:

Ipsos Mori poll shows economists overwhelmingly back Remain - 88% believe Brexit would negatively affect GDP in short term and 72% in long

term.



Still, Boris Johnson is definitely in this for the greater good so maybe we should take him at his word instead.



https://www.ipsos-mori.com/researchpublications/researcharchive/3739/Economists-Views-on-Brexit.aspx












Are these the same people who forecast doom and catastrophe if the UK didn't join the Euro? How many of them saw the banking crash coming? I'd rather flip a coin that take the advice of an economist.

Brexit in a nutshell: insult anyone who says anything you don't like and put your faith in blind luck instead.




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Er, except @fretwired is completely factually correct as a matter of known evidence. He's not postulating a theory he's just stating economic history!

Emp_Fab

Well, it looks like there's money to be made trafficking people across the channel.  I wonder how long it'll be before they start dying on our shores ?  Now that's something that isn't going to change whether we're in or out.

UnclePsychosis

Fretwired;1091161" said:

UnclePsychosis said:

Ipsos Mori poll shows economists overwhelmingly back Remain - 88% believe Brexit would negatively affect GDP in short term and 72% in long

term.



Still, Boris Johnson is definitely in this for the greater good so maybe we should take him at his word instead.



https://www.ipsos-mori.com/researchpublications/researcharchive/3739/Economists-Views-on-Brexit.aspx






No





Are these the same people who forecast doom and catastrophe if the UK didn't join the Euro? How many of them saw the banking crash coming? I'd rather flip a coin that take the advice of an economist.

Brexit in a nutshell: insult anyone who says anything you don't like and put your faith in blind luck instead.

Chalky;1091225" said:

[quote="UnclePsychosğis;1091169"]

[quote="Fretwired;1091161"]UnclePsychosis said:

Ipsos Mori poll shows economists overwhelmingly back Remain - 88% believe Brexit would negatively affect GDP in short term and 72% in long

term.



Still, Boris Johnson is definitely in this for the greater good so maybe we should take him at his word instead.



https://www.ipsos-mori.com/researchpublications/researcharchive/3739/Economists-Views-on-Brexit.aspx












Are these the same people who forecast doom and catastrophe if the UK didn't join the Euro? How many of them saw the banking crash coming? I'd rather flip a coin that take the advice of an economist.

Brexit in a nutshell: insult anyone who says anything you don't like and put your faith in blind luck instead.




[/quote]

Er, except @fretwired is completely factually correct as a matter of known evidence. He's not postulating a theory he's just stating economic history![/quote]

Err, except saying you'd take a coin toss over their opinion is insulting to professional economists and trusting to blind luck.

Swing and a miss, champ.

Drew_TNBD

UnclePsychosis;1091169" said:

[quote="Fretwired;1091161"]UnclePsychosis said:

Ipsos Mori poll shows economists overwhelmingly back Remain - 88% believe Brexit would negatively affect GDP in short term and 72% in long

term.



Still, Boris Johnson is definitely in this for the greater good so maybe we should take him at his word instead.



https://www.ipsos-mori.com/researchpublications/researcharchive/3739/Economists-Views-on-Brexit.aspx












Are these the same people who forecast doom and catastrophe if the UK didn't join the Euro? How many of them saw the banking crash coming? I'd rather flip a coin that take the advice of an economist.

Brexit in a nutshell: insult anyone who says anything you don't like and put your faith in blind luck instead.




[/quote]

Actually that's uncle psychosis in a nutshell

UnclePsychosis

Drew_fx;1091276" said:

[quote="UnclePsychosis;1091169"]

[quote="Fretwired;1091161"]UnclePsychosis said:

Ipsos Mori poll shows economists overwhelmingly back Remain - 88% believe Brexit would negatively affect GDP in short term and 72% in long

term.



Still, Boris Johnson is definitely in this for the greater good so maybe we should take him at his word instead.



https://www.ipsos-mori.com/researchpublications/researcharchive/3739/Economists-Views-on-Brexit.aspx












Are these the same people who forecast doom and catastrophe if the UK didn't join the Euro? How many of them saw the banking crash coming? I'd rather flip a coin that take the advice of an economist.

Brexit in a nutshell: insult anyone who says anything you don't like and put your faith in blind luck instead.




[/quote]

Actually that's uncle psychosis in a nutshell[/quote]

My insults tend to be evidence based, but thank you all the same.

Phil_aka_Pip

UnclePsychosis said:

insulting to professional economists

Well, you could try "insulting" them. Or you could just point out that none of them have ever accurately predicted anything, and that if you asked n economists for the solution to a problem they'd give you as minimum of n different answers.

Garthy

This was actually in my economics course:

Fuck it, this forum never works. Try googling "assume a can opener".

UnclePsychosis

Phil_aka_Pip said:

UnclePsychosis said:

insulting to professional economists

Well, you could try "insulting" them. Or you could just point out that none of them have ever accurately predicted anything, and that if you asked n economists for the solution to a problem they'd give you as minimum of n different answers.

Ipsos Mori took n = 639 of them. 

And, instead of 639 different answers, 88% of them "thought it most likely that real GDP would be negatively impacted in the next 5 years, if the UK left the EU and the single market. 4% thought GDP would be positively impacted over the same time period and the 7% thought GDP would be broadly unaffected." 

If that wasn't bad enough for Brexit, 73% of the 639 thought "that real household incomes in the UK would be lower over the next 10 to 20 years, if the UK left the EU and the single market. This compares with 10% who thought that incomes would rise and 13% who thought that incomes would be broadly unaffected."

So, economists are overwhelmingly against Brexit.

Scientists and Universities are overwhelmingly against Brexit

Immigrants are a net benefit to the UK economy and have "no negative effect on UK wages", thus demolishing another Brexit myth. 

Still, you guys carry on putting your fingers in your ears. "La la la la la, not listening, nasty economists, nasty scientists, nasty germans, la la la la la"....

Nitefly

I'm STILL undecided, and voted thus in the poll; was thinking "In" but keep on hearing almost-convincing arguments for "Out" (I cannot STAND the "Br****" word!).

However.  If we stay in and it turns to shit, we can always leave in the future.  But if we leave and it turns to shit, there is no way in hell that they'll ever let us rejoin in a thousand years.

And, for that reason (amongst others), I'm thinking "In" again.

Doug

I'm OUT!!

Drew_TNBD

neko-trap-maid

Drew_TNBD

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chillidoggy

UnclePsychosis said:

Phil_aka_Pip said:

UnclePsychosis said:

insulting to professional economists

Well, you could try "insulting" them. Or you could just point out that none of them have ever accurately predicted anything, and that if you asked n economists for the solution to a problem they'd give you as minimum of n different answers.

Ipsos Mori took n = 639 of them. 

And, instead of 639 different answers, 88% of them "thought it most likely that real GDP would be negatively impacted in the next 5 years, if the UK left the EU and the single market. 4% thought GDP would be positively impacted over the same time period and the 7% thought GDP would be broadly unaffected." 

If that wasn't bad enough for Brexit, 73% of the 639 thought "that real household incomes in the UK would be lower over the next 10 to 20 years, if the UK left the EU and the single market. This compares with 10% who thought that incomes would rise and 13% who thought that incomes would be broadly unaffected."

So, economists are overwhelmingly against Brexit.

Scientists and Universities are overwhelmingly against Brexit

Immigrants are a net benefit to the UK economy and have "no negative effect on UK wages", thus demolishing another Brexit myth. 

Still, you guys carry on putting your fingers in your ears. "La la la la la, not listening, nasty economists, nasty scientists, nasty germans, la la la la la"....

I'm voting 'Out' just to piss you off!

PC_Dave

Undecided vote....