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Emp_FabEmp_Fab Frets: 21277
edited January 9 in Help & Feedback
I spent 20 minutes typing a reply to the valid comments made in the thread about a particular European country, explaining the irrationality of it and ending with a funny clip from stand-up Dylan Moran talking about the very thing I was referring to - only to find the thread had been closed, with no comment why.  It's very frustrating.  Please can you add a comment (or an entry in the interventions thread) that explains why a thread is being closed.  At the moment, I don't really know whether mine was closed because the subject matter - irrational fears - was deemed unacceptable, whether there was an avalanche of flags, whether the last reply was considered an ad-hom or whether it was none of those and just a "Ooh, this might go off the rails, let's shut it down just in case".

If the rules are not explicitly laid out in fine detail like a legal contract (which is clearly a ludicrous proposition) then the only way anyone can know where the lines are is when they get feedback to say why what they've said is considered to have crossed the line.
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  • TTonyTTony Frets: 22905
    The usual explanation is "thread closed whilst modmin team decide what to do".

    It then invariably stays closed.

    I understand that (a) the modmin team have lives (some of them anyways) and (b) the above explanation is a useful way of letting things just calm down, but just closing with no comment is another step away from the original principle of transparent modding.

    :(
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  • mrkbmrkb Frets: 3765
    The ones I see getting closed seem to be the contentious ones you start - perhaps thinking about "why am I posting this" might help.
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  • RolandRoland Frets: 6886
    As @mrkb says, the opening post was contentious, and the thread was beginning to receive some aggressive responses. So it was closed pending moderator consideration. We have decided to let the thread run. 
    TTony said:
    ... the modmin team have lives ...
    ... and life got in the way for a few minutes.
    Tree recycler, and guitarist with  https://www.undercoversband.com/.
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  • axisusaxisus Frets: 23852
    It's usually fairly obvious to be honest. Although many years ago I had a thread closed the second I started it by a rather sensitive mod. It was a joke Bonamassa mag cover, and I was told "I think we've had enough JB bashing". 
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  • poopotpoopot Frets: 9078
    edited January 9

    Please provide feedback on why a thread is closed.


    Normally coz it’s one you started…
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  • MattharrierMattharrier Frets: 324
    It was a shit post that was at best deliberately antagonistic, and at worst openly racist - or xenophobic, if hairs really need to be split. Just because you think a thing doesn't mean you need to post it.
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  • poopotpoopot Frets: 9078
    TTony said:


    but just closing with no comment is another step away from the original principle of transparent modding.


    Of which you are no longer involved with…

    so stop criticising!…
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  • vasselmeyervasselmeyer Frets: 3484
    It's because you start threads which are polarising. You're either trolling or are crashingly insensitive to how divisive they are. For whatever reason you start them, in my opinion you're better off doing that on Facebook where bullshit like that belongs,  rather than a guitar forum.
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  • digitalscreamdigitalscream Frets: 22327
    Emp_Fab said:
    I spent 20 minutes typing a reply to the valid comments made in the thread about a particular European country, explaining the irrationality of it and ending with a funny clip from stand-up Dylan Moran talking about the very thing I was referring to - only to find the thread had been closed, with no comment why.  It's very frustrating.  Please can you add a comment (or an entry in the interventions thread) that explains why a thread is being closed.  At the moment, I don't really know whether mine was closed because the subject matter - irrational fears - was deemed unacceptable, whether there was an avalanche of flags, whether the last reply was considered an ad-hom or whether it was none of those and just a "Ooh, this might go off the rails, let's shut it down just in case".

    If the rules are not explicitly laid out in fine detail like a legal contract (which is clearly a ludicrous proposition) then the only way anyone can know where the lines are is when they get feedback to say why what they've said is considered to have crossed the line.
    The thread was closed while we discussed it, we just forgot to put a note on there (which would've just said "Thread closed after a bunch of flags", as per usual).

    For the record, you were warned a couple of months ago that we'd run out of patience with your shock-and-outrage threads because they cause bad feeling throughout the forum (presumably by design, since it happens so often and you keep doing it), and we've explained this to you on a number of occasions - especially your style of, "Chuck a grenade over the fence and watch what happens" followed by a post a couple of pages in claiming innocence and how you've been totally misunderstood, which just pisses everyone off even more. You promised to stop doing it, and - lo and behold - here we are a couple of months later, with you doing it again. This is basically the most epic, slow-burning Rule #1 breach that has been in progress for years.

    The time differential was due to us discussing whether we should break the usual progression of sanctions on your behalf, since you've already had the maximum number of cooler stays; at that point, our only remaining options were a) a full ban, or b) pleading with you to stop it one final time so we can avoid banning you, because we really don't want to.

    TTony said:
    The usual explanation is "thread closed whilst modmin team decide what to do".

    It then invariably stays closed.

    I understand that (a) the modmin team have lives (some of them anyways) and (b) the above explanation is a useful way of letting things just calm down, but just closing with no comment is another step away from the original principle of transparent modding.

    :(
    That almost never happens. In this case, there was no comment because I distracted Roland before he could do so, with a discussion on what to do about it. As a result of that discussion, the thread was reopened and the note was changed to a warning not to let it get out of hand (mainly because our memories aren't what they were and we couldn't initially find the above warning, and action wasn't justified without it).
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  • guitartangoguitartango Frets: 753
    To be fair to @Emp_Fab , I didn't find his post racist, just a little strange ?

    "I don't know about you but I have a hard time completely separating modern-day Germany from the unbridled evil that was the Third Reich"

    That's your opinion of course, and you are entitled to it, like my mine with the Farty Towers...."Don't mention the war".

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  • HootsmonHootsmon Frets: 14792
    edited January 9
    I think what they are sayin' Emp is if you don't stop being naughty you are gonna get Drew'd, and Jeez man, you have had fair warning
    tae be or not tae be
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  • octatonicoctatonic Frets: 31809
    Emp_Fab said:
    I spent 20 minutes typing a reply to the valid comments made in the thread about a particular European country, explaining the irrationality of it and ending with a funny clip from stand-up Dylan Moran talking about the very thing I was referring to - only to find the thread had been closed, with no comment why.  It's very frustrating.  Please can you add a comment (or an entry in the interventions thread) that explains why a thread is being closed.  At the moment, I don't really know whether mine was closed because the subject matter - irrational fears - was deemed unacceptable, whether there was an avalanche of flags, whether the last reply was considered an ad-hom or whether it was none of those and just a "Ooh, this might go off the rails, let's shut it down just in case".

    If the rules are not explicitly laid out in fine detail like a legal contract (which is clearly a ludicrous proposition) then the only way anyone can know where the lines are is when they get feedback to say why what they've said is considered to have crossed the line.
    Are you having some sort of breakdown?
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  • Emp_FabEmp_Fab Frets: 21277
    It's because you start threads which are polarising. You're either trolling or are crashingly insensitive to how divisive they are. For whatever reason you start them, in my opinion you're better off doing that on Facebook where bullshit like that belongs,  rather than a guitar forum.
    So what you're suggesting is that people should only openly discuss topics that they are sure everyone else will already agree with ????  Is that your notion of a forum ??  That talking openly about a subject that everyone might not all agree on is to be avoided at all costs because no-one is able to have an adult discussion and express their viewpoints without screaming abuse at each other ?

    Has it really come to that ?   :/
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  • mrkbmrkb Frets: 3765
    Emp_Fab said:
    It's because you start threads which are polarising. You're either trolling or are crashingly insensitive to how divisive they are. For whatever reason you start them, in my opinion you're better off doing that on Facebook where bullshit like that belongs,  rather than a guitar forum.
    So what you're suggesting is that people should only openly discuss topics that they are sure everyone else will already agree with ????  Is that your notion of a forum ??  That talking openly about a subject that everyone might not all agree on is to be avoided at all costs because no-one is able to have an adult discussion and express their viewpoints without screaming abuse at each other ?

    Has it really come to that ?   :/
    Its a guitar forum...... with a social aspect. As Vasselmayer said - post to your mates on Facebook or down the pub if you want to engage people in 'edgy' topics. Do you sit down next to strangers on the bus and ask whether they have fears of other countries and expect a sensible conversation?
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  • VimFuegoVimFuego Frets: 13435
    mrkb said:
    Emp_Fab said:
    It's because you start threads which are polarising. You're either trolling or are crashingly insensitive to how divisive they are. For whatever reason you start them, in my opinion you're better off doing that on Facebook where bullshit like that belongs,  rather than a guitar forum.
    So what you're suggesting is that people should only openly discuss topics that they are sure everyone else will already agree with ????  Is that your notion of a forum ??  That talking openly about a subject that everyone might not all agree on is to be avoided at all costs because no-one is able to have an adult discussion and express their viewpoints without screaming abuse at each other ?

    Has it really come to that ?   :/
    Its a guitar forum...... with a social aspect. As Vasselmayer said - post to your mates on Facebook or down the pub if you want to engage people in 'edgy' topics. Do you sit down next to strangers on the bus and ask whether they have fears of other countries and expect a sensible conversation?
    I've been told that when I sit down on the bus, I'm the stranger. Or possibly the strangest.

    One of them anyways. 

    I'm not locked in here with you, you are locked in here with me.

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  • TTonyTTony Frets: 22905
    Anyone who gets on a bus *has* to be strange.

    Its a requirement.

    Its why you need a ticket to get on - they don’t let any old ornery person on.

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  • McSwaggertyMcSwaggerty Frets: 622

     We have recently just got rid of one obnoxious Dick, don't you be the next.
    and secondly I'm from Germany - Hamburg. I am mainly on this forum to talk and discuss guitars.
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  • monquixotemonquixote Frets: 15595
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    Emp_Fab said:
    It's because you start threads which are polarising. You're either trolling or are crashingly insensitive to how divisive they are. For whatever reason you start them, in my opinion you're better off doing that on Facebook where bullshit like that belongs,  rather than a guitar forum.
    So what you're suggesting is that people should only openly discuss topics that they are sure everyone else will already agree with ????  Is that your notion of a forum ??  That talking openly about a subject that everyone might not all agree on is to be avoided at all costs because no-one is able to have an adult discussion and express their viewpoints without screaming abuse at each other ?

    Has it really come to that ?   :/

    No it's because you constantly create threads written in a excessively polarised manner which stirs up conflict. 
    I'm sure it's not your intention, but they usually read like the editorial of a Daily Mail columnist. Tailor made to stir up shit and create an argument. 
    If you genuinely don't understand why the way you phrase things causes this to happen I suggest you lay off posting on contentious topics. 

    Not trying to give you a hard time, just trying to explain. 
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  • guitartangoguitartango Frets: 753

     We have recently just got rid of one obnoxious Dick, don't you be the next.
    and secondly I'm from Germany - Hamburg. I am mainly on this forum to talk and discuss guitars.
    I love Hamburg, been there a few times over the past years. Great live music 
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  • DeijavooDeijavoo Frets: 3245
    Bring back facepalms. 
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