The Theresa May General Election thread (edited)

littlegreenman

capo4th said:

littlegreenman said:

Fretwired said:

ICBM said:

capo4th said:

So you stupidly support terrorists remaining in this country and not deporting them? 

Why would you not not support this action? We need to take a stand against these religious nuts.

Personally I would rather put them in a boat and send it back where it came from.

 I would rather increase the resources needed to monitor them properly, and when they're found to have committed an offence, charge, convict and jail them in this country. We already have robust laws to deal with them, we don't need to tear up human rights legislation - which is the thin end of a very dangerous wedge.

Nice idea, but impossible. There are 20,000+ on the database and 500+ of significant interest who didn't include the recent terrorists - so this list should be higher. An ex-MI5 officer thinks you need at least 30 officers per suspect which means 5,000 would require 15,000 officers and 20,000 would require 600,000.

I have some sympathy for May and the Human Rights Act - four of the Rochdale grooming gang are having their appeals against deportation funded by the tax payer. They claim their right to a family life is at threat - the scum should be sent back to Pakistan. The local Asian community thinks this is the right thing to do ... however they have successfully appealed against deportation and the there will be a final court case.

Revoking their citizenship and deportation is difficult, but should be the plan. Right to a family/ private life and protection under Article 8 has already been voluntarilarily ceded by their behaviour, IMHO of course.

Deportation for the Muslim child rapists in Rochdale ?

 Line em all up and shoot the lot of em save the legal fees 

Ah yes, the age old capital punishment bullhonkey.

Not even going there with you with that. Idiot.

capo4th

Legionreturns said:

capo4th said:

The slim difference is between the two manifestos.

One is real the other is a laughable joke that will never be implemented. Therefore Corbyn is lying to the electorate with promises that can never be achieved.

You're not exactly shedding any light on what specifically you are contesting in the Labour manifesto? Dismissing the entire document as "a laughable joke" isn't debating, it's just stating an opinion without any evidence to back it up.

For example:

Point: The Conservative manifesto (again) states that they will aim to get immigration down to a net of 100,000. (Or "In the tens of thousands, instead of the hundreds of thousands") Therefore Theresa May is lying to the electorate when she says this.

Evidence: Theresa May is lying to the electorate because this has been in the last two manifestos with no progress in the reduction of immigration.

https://fullfact.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Migration-to-and-from-UK-migobs.png

Explain: Whilst the government may not have much control over EU migration, because of the free movement agreement, they have had little impact on the non EU figures for migration despite divisive policies such as not letting migrants bring their spouse to the country unless they earn more than £18,600 p/a. Therefore we cannot take any manifesto promise to meet this target as anything other than pandering to UKIP voters for a few extra votes.

"Failure to meet the target was driven by both EU and non-EU migration. If EU net migration had remained at 2010 levels, the level would still have been more than double the target." - Source ONS & Full Fact (https://fullfact.org/immigration/uk-migration-policy-2010-general-election/)

For the record, PEE (Point, Evidence, Explain) is a GCSE level english method that students have to become familiar with from the age of about 14. I'm sure you can manage better than that. I'm happy to give you a few more examples given half an hour with the Conservative Manifesto and a laptop. 

Why would I contest the Labour manifesto? It's a joke Jeremy wants a new train set and wants taxpayers living in London to pay for it. His taxation policy is a joke and will drive U.K. Business downhill at a rapid pace. The polices are unworkable and unachievable from a financial perspective.

Remind me again how much it will cost to buy back the water and electricity companies and how Jezza will pay for it all? 

We need to stop / control immigration however the Romanian girl who makes my morning coffee is an absolute peach so she can stay. The horse has bolted we are an overcrowded island.

Please refresh me on Labours spectacular track record on immigration? PPE is fine. 

capo4th

littlegreenman said:

capo4th said:

littlegreenman said:

Fretwired said:

ICBM said:

capo4th said:

So you stupidly support terrorists remaining in this country and not deporting them? 

Why would you not not support this action? We need to take a stand against these religious nuts.

Personally I would rather put them in a boat and send it back where it came from.

 I would rather increase the resources needed to monitor them properly, and when they're found to have committed an offence, charge, convict and jail them in this country. We already have robust laws to deal with them, we don't need to tear up human rights legislation - which is the thin end of a very dangerous wedge.

Nice idea, but impossible. There are 20,000+ on the database and 500+ of significant interest who didn't include the recent terrorists - so this list should be higher. An ex-MI5 officer thinks you need at least 30 officers per suspect which means 5,000 would require 15,000 officers and 20,000 would require 600,000.

I have some sympathy for May and the Human Rights Act - four of the Rochdale grooming gang are having their appeals against deportation funded by the tax payer. They claim their right to a family life is at threat - the scum should be sent back to Pakistan. The local Asian community thinks this is the right thing to do ... however they have successfully appealed against deportation and the there will be a final court case.

Revoking their citizenship and deportation is difficult, but should be the plan. Right to a family/ private life and protection under Article 8 has already been voluntarilarily ceded by their behaviour, IMHO of course.

Deportation for the Muslim child rapists in Rochdale ?

 Line em all up and shoot the lot of em save the legal fees 

Ah yes, the age old capital punishment bullhonkey.

Not even going there with you with that. Idiot.

Please enlighten us with your thoughts on suitable punishments for Muslim child rapists 

Clarky

so… not long to go now and I still have no idea who to vote for…
I'm a life long Tory that don't like them any more
my heart says Lib Dem cos I'm a remainer and they agree with my personal view
but Lib Dem has no chance
I can't vote Labour whilst idiot Abbott is around.. she's too scary and incompetent to be anywhere near anything that matters..

this whole thing is completely shite and I have no idea what to do

octatonic

capo4th said:

littlegreenman said:

capo4th said:

littlegreenman said:

Fretwired said:

ICBM said:

capo4th said:

So you stupidly support terrorists remaining in this country and not deporting them? 

Why would you not not support this action? We need to take a stand against these religious nuts.

Personally I would rather put them in a boat and send it back where it came from.

 I would rather increase the resources needed to monitor them properly, and when they're found to have committed an offence, charge, convict and jail them in this country. We already have robust laws to deal with them, we don't need to tear up human rights legislation - which is the thin end of a very dangerous wedge.

Nice idea, but impossible. There are 20,000+ on the database and 500+ of significant interest who didn't include the recent terrorists - so this list should be higher. An ex-MI5 officer thinks you need at least 30 officers per suspect which means 5,000 would require 15,000 officers and 20,000 would require 600,000.

I have some sympathy for May and the Human Rights Act - four of the Rochdale grooming gang are having their appeals against deportation funded by the tax payer. They claim their right to a family life is at threat - the scum should be sent back to Pakistan. The local Asian community thinks this is the right thing to do ... however they have successfully appealed against deportation and the there will be a final court case.

Revoking their citizenship and deportation is difficult, but should be the plan. Right to a family/ private life and protection under Article 8 has already been voluntarilarily ceded by their behaviour, IMHO of course.

Deportation for the Muslim child rapists in Rochdale ?

 Line em all up and shoot the lot of em save the legal fees 

Ah yes, the age old capital punishment bullhonkey.

Not even going there with you with that. Idiot.

Please enlighten us with your thoughts on suitable punishments for Muslim child rapists 

Exactly the same as Christian child rapists, or atheists child rapists- a very, very long custodial sentence.

Are you sure you wouldn't be happier posting here: https://www.reddit.com/r/ukipparty/ ?

capo4th

Strong and stable ...

littlegreenman

capo4th said:

littlegreenman said:

capo4th said:

littlegreenman said:

Fretwired said:

ICBM said:

capo4th said:

So you stupidly support terrorists remaining in this country and not deporting them? 

Why would you not not support this action? We need to take a stand against these religious nuts.

Personally I would rather put them in a boat and send it back where it came from.

 I would rather increase the resources needed to monitor them properly, and when they're found to have committed an offence, charge, convict and jail them in this country. We already have robust laws to deal with them, we don't need to tear up human rights legislation - which is the thin end of a very dangerous wedge.

Nice idea, but impossible. There are 20,000+ on the database and 500+ of significant interest who didn't include the recent terrorists - so this list should be higher. An ex-MI5 officer thinks you need at least 30 officers per suspect which means 5,000 would require 15,000 officers and 20,000 would require 600,000.

I have some sympathy for May and the Human Rights Act - four of the Rochdale grooming gang are having their appeals against deportation funded by the tax payer. They claim their right to a family life is at threat - the scum should be sent back to Pakistan. The local Asian community thinks this is the right thing to do ... however they have successfully appealed against deportation and the there will be a final court case.

Revoking their citizenship and deportation is difficult, but should be the plan. Right to a family/ private life and protection under Article 8 has already been voluntarilarily ceded by their behaviour, IMHO of course.

Deportation for the Muslim child rapists in Rochdale ?

 Line em all up and shoot the lot of em save the legal fees 

Ah yes, the age old capital punishment bullhonkey.

Not even going there with you with that. Idiot.

Please enlighten us with your thoughts on suitable punishments for Muslim child rapists 

Same as for all other child rapists. D'urrhh. Suitable prison sentences. Do I need to use smaller words, or maybe pictures?

capo4th

octatonic said:

capo4th said:

littlegreenman said:

capo4th said:

littlegreenman said:

Fretwired said:

ICBM said:

capo4th said:

So you stupidly support terrorists remaining in this country and not deporting them? 

Why would you not not support this action? We need to take a stand against these religious nuts.

Personally I would rather put them in a boat and send it back where it came from.

 I would rather increase the resources needed to monitor them properly, and when they're found to have committed an offence, charge, convict and jail them in this country. We already have robust laws to deal with them, we don't need to tear up human rights legislation - which is the thin end of a very dangerous wedge.

Nice idea, but impossible. There are 20,000+ on the database and 500+ of significant interest who didn't include the recent terrorists - so this list should be higher. An ex-MI5 officer thinks you need at least 30 officers per suspect which means 5,000 would require 15,000 officers and 20,000 would require 600,000.

I have some sympathy for May and the Human Rights Act - four of the Rochdale grooming gang are having their appeals against deportation funded by the tax payer. They claim their right to a family life is at threat - the scum should be sent back to Pakistan. The local Asian community thinks this is the right thing to do ... however they have successfully appealed against deportation and the there will be a final court case.

Revoking their citizenship and deportation is difficult, but should be the plan. Right to a family/ private life and protection under Article 8 has already been voluntarilarily ceded by their behaviour, IMHO of course.

Deportation for the Muslim child rapists in Rochdale ?

 Line em all up and shoot the lot of em save the legal fees 

Ah yes, the age old capital punishment bullhonkey.

Not even going there with you with that. Idiot.

Please enlighten us with your thoughts on suitable punishments for Muslim child rapists 

Exactly the same as Christian child rapists, or atheists child rapists- a very, very long custodial sentence.

Are you sure you wouldn't be happier posting here: https://www.reddit.com/r/ukipparty/ ?

Very admirable of you. I have no interest in UKIP but do care why my income tax is being wasted on legal fees so some convicted Muslim child rapists can appeal British justice and deportation. The whole thing is a joke so they can remain in the UK longer spreading hate and it's all being funded by the U.K. Taxpayer.

capo4th

Exciting stuff we are almost on 100 pages of political bullshit 

littlegreenman

Clarky said:

so… not long to go now and I still have no idea who to vote for…
I'm a life long Tory that don't like them any more
my heart says Lib Dem cos I'm a remainer and they agree with my personal view
but Lib Dem has no chance
I can't vote Labour whilst idiot Abbott is around.. she's too scary and incompetent to be anywhere near anything that matters..

this whole thing is completely shite and I have no idea what to do

Vote for who your heart says Paul @Clarky ;, whoever that is. That way you can vote with a clean conscience. More than that it's pretty much impossible to do...

Legionreturns

Clarky said:

so… not long to go now and I still have no idea who to vote for…
I'm a life long Tory that don't like them any more
my heart says Lib Dem cos I'm a remainer and they agree with my personal view
but Lib Dem has no chance
I can't vote Labour whilst idiot Abbott is around.. she's too scary and incompetent to be anywhere near anything that matters..

this whole thing is completely shite and I have no idea what to do

I think the remain thing has bolted. It's not going to happen. I am also convinced that Corbyn is not stupid, and can see clear as day that Abbot is not Ministerial material, but that to make a change before the election would play into the Conservatives hands and write the last days news stories for them. I would be very surprised if he were to form a government and cabinet with her in it, even if he did win.

A lot of it is going to be down to the situation in your constituency and what you want to achieve / can achieve with your vote.

Heartfeltdawn

capo4th said:

So you stupidly support terrorists remaining in this country and not deporting them? 

Why would you not not support this action? We need to take a stand against these religious nuts.

Personally I would rather put them in a boat and send it back where it came from.

To quote Motherfucker Theresa from the relevant article:

"We should do even more to restrict the freedom and the movements of terrorist suspects when we have enough evidence to know they present a threat, but not enough evidence to prosecute them in full in court."

That expansion of state power should worry anyone. 

Heartfeltdawn

And let's continue the mental bullshit:

https://twitter.com/DMReporter/status/872216795461156865

The Times of India reports that the first 10 pages of Wednesday's Mail attack Corbyn.

10. It would have been more but Dacre couldn't ejaculate any more foaming rage. 

equalsql

capo4th said:

littlegreenman said:

Fretwired said:

ICBM said:

capo4th said:

So you stupidly support terrorists remaining in this country and not deporting them? 

Why would you not not support this action? We need to take a stand against these religious nuts.

Personally I would rather put them in a boat and send it back where it came from.

 I would rather increase the resources needed to monitor them properly, and when they're found to have committed an offence, charge, convict and jail them in this country. We already have robust laws to deal with them, we don't need to tear up human rights legislation - which is the thin end of a very dangerous wedge.

Nice idea, but impossible. There are 20,000+ on the database and 500+ of significant interest who didn't include the recent terrorists - so this list should be higher. An ex-MI5 officer thinks you need at least 30 officers per suspect which means 5,000 would require 15,000 officers and 20,000 would require 600,000.

I have some sympathy for May and the Human Rights Act - four of the Rochdale grooming gang are having their appeals against deportation funded by the tax payer. They claim their right to a family life is at threat - the scum should be sent back to Pakistan. The local Asian community thinks this is the right thing to do ... however they have successfully appealed against deportation and the there will be a final court case.

Revoking their citizenship and deportation is difficult, but should be the plan. Right to a family/ private life and protection under Article 8 has already been voluntarilarily ceded by their behaviour, IMHO of course.

Deportation for the Muslim child rapists in Rochdale ?

 Line em all up and shoot the lot of em save the legal fees 

Christ, you really are a frightened little troll aren't you. Your comments so far on this thread make me think you perhaps suffer from the same narcissistic personality disorder as Trump.

capo4th

Heartfeltdawn said:

And let's continue the mental bullshit:

https://twitter.com/DMReporter/status/872216795461156865

The Times of India reports that the first 10 pages of Wednesday's Mail attack Corbyn.

10. It would have been more but Dacre couldn't ejaculate any more foaming rage. 

What is Jeremy achieving with that funny cap ? 

capo4th

Corbyns history and previous comments back this up.

For once The Daily Mail speaks the truth.

Corbyn as a man is morally wrong and is not a safe pair of hands for the UK 

The other two are just a pair of morons.

Have a super day one and all.

ICBM

It's highly unlikely any Mail reader would vote Labour anyway, and they've actually done the rest of us the service of making a powerful point as to why we should.

fields5069

How does one deport British citizens? If a Celt commits a heinous crime, do we deport them back to the middle part of the European continent?

Sporky

littlegreenman said:

Revoking their citizenship and deportation is difficult, but should be the plan. Right to a family/ private life and protection under Article 8 has already been voluntarilarily ceded by their behaviour, IMHO of course.

The problem with making rights revocable is that you've then let the government revoke those rights for you too, and suddenly they're not rights at all. Let a fascist like May revoke rights at will and her jackboot will never stop stamping on the country's face.

And yes, I am quite pleased with that bit of early-morning hyperbole.

JezWynd

capo4th said:

Exciting stuff we are almost on 100 pages of political bullshit 

And you are responsible for half of it. You don't live under a bridge do you?