NGD - Not as described by seller (Fretboard member)

Philtre

TonyJacks said:

Guitars are to be played, those marks could happen at any time during use. Even guitars in shops have evidence of being played. 

This reeks of buyers remorse 

No it fucking doesn't.

LKV_Jazzmaster

Boromedic said:

See my post above, you fit perfectly into the next Tuesday category....

So now my character is being attacked for how I would respond to the situation... I thought this was a public forum on the internet were we could voice our opinions with anonymity?

I almost feel offended. 

TonyJacks

Philtre why are you involving yourself? 

Boromedic

LKV_Jazzmaster said:

Boromedic said:

See my post above, you fit perfectly into the next Tuesday category....

So now my character is being attacked for how I would respond to the situation... I thought this was a public forum on the internet were we could voice our opinions with anonymity?

I almost feel offended. 

Why be offended, I disagree with how you think the OP is in the wrong, and for that I called you out. No need to be offended, if you walk like a duck, and quack like a duck you're a duck...

How, when the guitar is listed as new unmarked, is the buyer in the wrong at this point?

LKV_Jazzmaster

Boromedic said:

LKV_Jazzmaster said:

Boromedic said:

See my post above, you fit perfectly into the next Tuesday category....

So now my character is being attacked for how I would respond to the situation... I thought this was a public forum on the internet were we could voice our opinions with anonymity?

I almost feel offended. 

Why be offended, I disagree with how you think the OP is in the wrong, and for that I called you out. No need to be offended, if you walk like a duck, and quack like a duck you're a duck...

How, when the guitar is listed as new unmarked, is the buyer in the wrong at this point?

I said I was almost offended. Almost. 

So on that basis then if it types like a remorseful buyer, finds fault like a remorseful buyer and tries to rally people behind his cause like a remorseful buyer...

it’s a remorseful....

Boromedic

The guitar is "NOT AS DESCRIBED" that's not remorseful buyer, that's I'm pissed off cos I've been had. Having been in a similar position I can empathise with the buyer, maybe that's why I disagree with you.

chenzman

TonyJacks said:

Guitars are to be played, those marks could happen at any time during use. Even guitars in shops have evidence of being played. 

This reeks of buyers remorse 

@TonyJacks If I don’t like how something plays or doesn’t suit me, I would just sell it on, simple. I wouldn’t be bringing this up here if that was the case

TonyJacks

Boromedic - been ‘had’? You need to go and sit in a dark room and relax. This is a quality guitar at a great price.

Go practice your scales 

Adey

M'lud!, M'lud!

Please come and sort out this dreadful disagreement....

We need someone who knows "the Law"...

rivercider

Having read this thread I've just reluctantly edited two ads I had in the classifieds now to avoid using the term 'as new' in case anyone finds anything wrong with them that I haven't been able to spot myself.

Whilst I honestly do think my two are in the same condition as when I bought them both a few months ago, the whole thing about people's interpretation of condition is very difficult and subjective.

To me, my guitars are as good as new and by editing that out of my ad have I implied the condition isn't as good as it really is, thereby reducing seller interest? Tricky one.

I'm not making judgements either way, incidentally, just don't want more threads like this for any of us on the forum for whatever reason. 

I no longer bother with Gumtree et al, because the experience of buying /selling here is usually 100% better for all parties, in my experience.

 Face to face is always best, in my opinion, but I understand it's not always going to be that way....unless either party insists upon it. 

Communication (before and after the sale) is probably the most important factor in all of this, as it is in most things in life.

prlgmnr

Adey said:

M'lud!, M'lud!

Please come and sort out this dreadful disagreement....

Buyer is entitled to receive what he thought he was getting, and to a response to any queries.

People are entitled to post their differing opinions without being told to stop posting.

No one needs to attack anyone.

*gavel*

ten77guitar

Boromedic said:

The guitar is "NOT AS DESCRIBED" that's not remorseful buyer, that I'm pissed off cos I've been had. Having been in a similar position I can empathize with the buyer, maybe that's why I disagree with you.

How far would you take that though? If there was a tiny blemish, only visible when you looked really closely, would that count as ‘not as described’? It’s a question of degree and although the OP has more of a case than this example I’d say it’s a borderline one.

p_jay78

Hey guys,

What a treat this was to read. Everyone needs to go play guitar and relax

Vince, seriously - you wanted to air this is public? I'll PM you now and we can have a chat

Nothing more needs to be said.

DrCornelius

TonyJacks said:

Boromedic - been ‘had’? You need to go and sit in a dark room and relax. This is a quality guitar at a great price.

Go practice your scales 

@TonyJacks , why are you involving yourself ?

ten77guitar

p_jay78 said:

Hey guys,

What a treat this was to read. Everyone needs to go play guitar and relax

Vince, seriously - you wanted to air this is public? I'll PM you now and we can have a chat

Nothing more needs to be said.

Mr Blonde appears at last..

mikeyrob73

Thread clowning down in 3......2.............1........

chenzman

p_jay78 said:

Hey guys,

What a treat this was to read. Everyone needs to go play guitar and relax

Vince, seriously - you wanted to air this is public? I'll PM you now and we can have a chat

Nothing more needs to be said.

Thanks Paul and no I didn’t want to air this in public, speak soon 

Boromedic

p_jay78 said:

Hey guys,

What a treat this was to read. Everyone needs to go play guitar and relax

Vince, seriously - you wanted to air this is public? I'll PM you now and we can have a chat

Nothing more needs to be said.

Good on you mate, that's all it needed. From here I'm out, and @TonyJacks , yes that's exactly what I meant, been had. Yes he got a good deal, my first post said as much, but it wasn't As New, that's my beef it's close to it, but it isn't unmarked/new is it? 

I'm out now, can't be arsed arguing with unreasonable people on the net anymore.

Sassafras

p_jay78 said:

Hey guys,

What a treat this was to read. Everyone needs to go play guitar and relax.

They need to play them more often than look at them under a microscope.

Sassafras

Iamnobody said:

What a sad post. The unnecessary criticism of the buyer from some members is a disgrace.

I think the OP has taken it well - in his shoes I’d be telling each and every one you to help yourselves to a great big slice of fuck off.

The price paid is irrelevant, the guitar received  was simply not as described. Any other ‘opinion’ is invalid. 

OP - I hope the seller does the right thing.

The price paid is very relevant.