Knopflers Auction Guitar list 31 jan

swiller

Thought id share this. Some interesting offerings for reasonable estimated values.
Think a few will go a lot higher (eg Les paul used on money for nothing = est 10-15k).
https://www.christies.com/auction/auction-21929-cks?page=2&sortby=lotnumber

bertie

I can see one with Jo-Bo's name all over it   - 

swiller

Keiko

I recognised the amber Pensa Suhr mk1. I would imagine Knopfler fans will be all over that one. 

Yorkie

Keiko said:

I recognised the amber Pensa Suhr mk1. I would imagine Knopfler fans will be all over that one. 

Not all Knopfler fans! I hate the sound of that thing. 

richardhomer

I’ve bought the catalogue - this sale feels very ‘low key’ compared to the Gilmour and Clapton ones. I’m interested to see how it goes on the day. I’d be surprised if anything sets a new record sale price.

Voxman

I'd like lot 17, the Pensa Suhr Mk1 as it's unique and was his no1 guitar for many years. I've discussed with my wife and might actually make a bid. 

swiller

Im proper digging the tiescos for est 15-2500. Agree on low key richard. 
Im deffo looking into the online bidding process, with a view to be ready. The money for nothing les paul at est 10-15k, if it goes for that.. well.

Chiliwailer

Still can’t decide whether to buy the ‘59 Les Paul, or a new home mortgage free…

Strat54

swiller said:

Im proper digging the tiescos for est 15-2500. Agree on low key richard. 
Im deffo looking into the online bidding process, with a view to be ready. The money for nothing les paul at est 10-15k, if it goes for that.. well.

We've already had the Knopfler auction sale discussion a while back, but I'll say it again....EVERYTHING will make well over the estimates....so dream on. There's a lot of interest from people I know with very deep pockets. A close friend was at Christies the other night for the VIP evening with Mark Knopfler. John llsley and Guy Fletcher were there too. 

swiller

Strat54 said:

swiller said:

Im proper digging the tiescos for est 15-2500. Agree on low key richard. 
Im deffo looking into the online bidding process, with a view to be ready. The money for nothing les paul at est 10-15k, if it goes for that.. well.

We've already had the Knopfler auction sale discussion a while back, but I'll say it again....EVERYTHING will make well over the estimates....so dream on. There's a lot of interest from people I know with very deep pockets. A close friend was at Christies the other night for the VIP evening with Mark Knopfler. John llsley and Guy Fletcher were there too. 

fair enough, i did search for previous thread but found nothing. Ill still watch and see if anything takes my fancy.

matt_sefton

richardhomer said:

I’ve bought the catalogue - this sale feels very ‘low key’ compared to the Gilmour and Clapton ones. I’m interested to see how it goes on the day. I’d be surprised if anything sets a new record sale price.

I was thinking about buying one - is it good? Decent photography etc?

richardhomer

matt_sefton said:

richardhomer said:

I’ve bought the catalogue - this sale feels very ‘low key’ compared to the Gilmour and Clapton ones. I’m interested to see how it goes on the day. I’d be surprised if anything sets a new record sale price.

I was thinking about buying one - is it good? Decent photography etc?

Nowhere near as nice as the Gilmour and 2004 EC ones, if I’m honest. It’ll probably be worth more than the ticket price in a few years but as a thing to own, a little disappointing.

matt_sefton

richardhomer said:

matt_sefton said:

richardhomer said:

I’ve bought the catalogue - this sale feels very ‘low key’ compared to the Gilmour and Clapton ones. I’m interested to see how it goes on the day. I’d be surprised if anything sets a new record sale price.

I was thinking about buying one - is it good? Decent photography etc?

Nowhere near as nice as the Gilmour and 2004 EC ones, if I’m honest. It’ll probably be worth more than the ticket price in a few years but as a thing to own, a little disappointing.

Ah that’s a shame, maybe I’ll give it a miss 

Yorkie

Couldn’t you download it from their website at some point? 

BobHillman

I have downloaded the catalogue - loads of information about the guitars and where they were used, probably a weeks worth of reading, at least.

joeW

The estimates look pretty low for the items I like the look of - I think some of the more jazzy stuff will trade well over estimate.  Might have a little look at a few lots but as not really a fan doubt I’ll be in the right ballpark 

Lawriejones1

Strat54 said:

swiller said:

Im proper digging the tiescos for est 15-2500. Agree on low key richard. 
Im deffo looking into the online bidding process, with a view to be ready. The money for nothing les paul at est 10-15k, if it goes for that.. well.

We've already had the Knopfler auction sale discussion a while back, but I'll say it again....EVERYTHING will make well over the estimates....so dream on. There's a lot of interest from people I know with very deep pockets. A close friend was at Christies the other night for the VIP evening with Mark Knopfler. John llsley and Guy Fletcher were there too. 

These are “come get me” estimates for viral marketing purposes. If everyone assumed (rightly) this will be the preserve of rich people, they wouldn’t bother to be interested. So much of an auction is performative. It’s very much an ego thing, much like owning one of these guitars would be. 

Strat54

swiller said:

Strat54 said:

swiller said:

Im proper digging the tiescos for est 15-2500. Agree on low key richard. 
Im deffo looking into the online bidding process, with a view to be ready. The money for nothing les paul at est 10-15k, if it goes for that.. well.

We've already had the Knopfler auction sale discussion a while back, but I'll say it again....EVERYTHING will make well over the estimates....so dream on. There's a lot of interest from people I know with very deep pockets. A close friend was at Christies the other night for the VIP evening with Mark Knopfler. John llsley and Guy Fletcher were there too. 

fair enough, i did search for previous thread but found nothing. Ill still watch and see if anything takes my fancy.

Its here....

https://www.thefretboard.co.uk/discussion/comment/3733794/#Comment_3733794

Litterick

This is not an auction for the innocent. Newcomers would be competing with dealers who know a lot about auctions and who are bidding against each other. Any lot the newcomer won would be worth less than the hammer price. The dealers will know that when the newcomer attempts to sell his unfortunate purchase.

The estimates are low for good reasons. Here is an explanation of how estimates are calculated. Of particular interest are the following paragraphs:

"The first step in unpacking this process is the core dynamic between consignor and specialist, where the actual negotiation takes place. As it happens, many consignors manifest a pathology that can best be described as a paradoxical interest: They often feel the need to demand the highest estimate possible, on the superficially reasonable supposition that the higher the target range, the higher the sale price. This is a paradoxical interest in the sense that an artificially inflated estimate will often asphyxiate demand, and yield a hammer price that is in fact well below their expectations in the final analysis—or worse, the lot ends up being bought in. As such, it is often the specialist’s primary responsibility to cajole the consignor into accepting the lowest possible estimate, as truly in her self-interest.

That is premised on the imputed behavior of potential bidders, our third agent at this party, whose motivations the auction house specialist will know well. The imputed bidder is often compromised by a paradoxical interest of her own: The lower the estimate, the greater the bargain may seem, but they are often not alone in having the same intuition, and that is precisely how auction specialists generate demand. If you open an auction catalog and the estimate of $10,000–$15,000 seems so incredibly cheap for the Picasso woodcut you always coveted that you immediately call up to register to bid, it is very likely that 30 others responded similarly. Inculcating that demand is an essential part of the pressures to set estimates and, absent any other factors, auction house specialists would set them as low as reasonably possible to stimulate such demand."

BobHillman

Litterick said:

This is not an auction for the innocent. Newcomers would be competing with dealers who know a lot about auctions and who are bidding against each other. Any lot the newcomer won would be worth less than the hammer price. The dealers will know that when the newcomer attempts to sell his unfortunate purchase.

The estimates are low for good reasons. Here is an explanation of how estimates are calculated. Of particular interest are the following paragraphs:

"The first step in unpacking this process is the core dynamic between consignor and specialist, where the actual negotiation takes place. As it happens, many consignors manifest a pathology that can best be described as a paradoxical interest: They often feel the need to demand the highest estimate possible, on the superficially reasonable supposition that the higher the target range, the higher the sale price. This is a paradoxical interest in the sense that an artificially inflated estimate will often asphyxiate demand, and yield a hammer price that is in fact well below their expectations in the final analysis—or worse, the lot ends up being bought in. As such, it is often the specialist’s primary responsibility to cajole the consignor into accepting the lowest possible estimate, as truly in her self-interest.

That is premised on the imputed behavior of potential bidders, our third agent at this party, whose motivations the auction house specialist will know well. The imputed bidder is often compromised by a paradoxical interest of her own: The lower the estimate, the greater the bargain may seem, but they are often not alone in having the same intuition, and that is precisely how auction specialists generate demand. If you open an auction catalog and the estimate of $10,000–$15,000 seems so incredibly cheap for the Picasso woodcut you always coveted that you immediately call up to register to bid, it is very likely that 30 others responded similarly. Inculcating that demand is an essential part of the pressures to set estimates and, absent any other factors, auction house specialists would set them as low as reasonably possible to stimulate such demand."

Where can I find an english translation of this, please?