The Theresa May General Election thread (edited)

Axe_meister

Lewisham Penge

Cirrus

Re; that IFS article about the manifesto pledges not adding up... sure, it's important, but just some perspective;

Between 2010 and 2016 gov't spending amounted to £3.9 trillion. About a trillion of that was borrowed. In the face of those numbers, even a few tens of billions of uncosted pledges don't seem so bad, especially since the Labour ones seem to revolve around the concept of investing in the future - the only way Brexit will ever be a success, and the only way we'll ever reduce the deficit, let alone pay off some national debt, is if the economy grows in the coming decades. 

If the conservatives had said in 2010;

"Our plan for the next six years is this: We're going to run an average deficit of about a hundred billion pounds a year, double the national debt, while pursuing austerity policies so that no one feels confident in the future and the economy is stagnated. We'll reduce the strength of our armed forces and police, sell off the few remaining national assets for less than they're worth, and begin the process of privatising the NHS. We're going to take the UK out of its most prosperous and important trading block at a time when the US is also looking to reduce its commitments on the world stage, even though we know it's going to be damaging to the economy and condemn everyone to being poorer. And at the end of it all, the deficit will still be essentially the same."

That would have been very honest, and who would have voted for that?

The Conservative austerity politics might be *a bit* cheaper today and seem to be dealing with the problems of the past, but to my mind they stifle the chance of economic growth in the future.

paulads

We seem to be such a divided people nowadays, I see no way any politician can bring everyone together...and I think we're as much to blame for that as them. I'm pretty amazed that any politician would even want to try.

Axe_meister

paulads said:

We seem to be such a divided people nowadays, I see no way any politician can bring everyone together...and I think we're as much to blame for that as them. I'm pretty amazed that any politician would even want to try.

Which is why we ultimatly need a more european coalision type government. Seems to work very well for Germany

holnrew

Ro_S said:

Bidley said:

holnrew said:

I'm feeling pretty despondent, and noting how many elections have gone against what I hope in the last 7 years

What, two? 

My reaction was the same.

I'm including those outside the country, but perhaps I should have also said votes/polls, including brexit (I hate that the word has become so commonplace that it's the only way to refer to it now)

ICBM

Cirrus said:

If the conservatives had said in 2010;

"Our plan for the next six years is this: We're going to run an average deficit of about a hundred billion pounds a year, double the national debt, while pursuing austerity policies so that no one feels confident in the future and the economy is stagnated. We'll reduce the strength of our armed forces and police, sell off the few remaining national assets for less than they're worth, and begin the process of privatising the NHS. We're going to take the UK out of its most prosperous and important trading block at a time when the US is also looking to reduce its commitments on the world stage, even though we know it's going to be damaging to the economy and condemn everyone to being poorer. And at the end of it all, the deficit will still be essentially the same."

That would have been very honest, and who would have voted for that?

I'm sure a lot of people still would… there are plenty of people who will happily go along with the country going down the pan if they're told their taxes will be cut.

Then they get old or ill and find they need those public services which the taxes they should have paid weren't used to invest in and have been sold off to private companies.

Welcome to Tory economics.

capo4th

Do anyone think Jeremy will lose his shit on Friday morning during his resignation speech? 

capo4th

Diane Abbott was spotted running around in Oxford Circus at 830am this morning she looked fit as a fiddle.

Clearly a last ditch feeble PR attempt from Labour to show they are ditching their chief accountant and security expert to give people more hope.

thomasw88

capo4th said:

Diane Abbott was spotted running around in Oxford Circus at 830am this morning she looked fit as a fiddle.

Clearly a last ditch feeble PR attempt from Labour to show they are ditching their chief accountant and security expert to give people more hope.

blah blah blah.     you are beyond tedious little tory troll man.

say something positive about your party -  how will things improve under saint u-turn over the next 5 years?

thomasw88

corbyn supports independent music venues..  

http://thequietus.com/articles/22579-corbyn-independent-music-venues

capo4th

thomasw88 said:

capo4th said:

Diane Abbott was spotted running around in Oxford Circus at 830am this morning she looked fit as a fiddle.

Clearly a last ditch feeble PR attempt from Labour to show they are ditching their chief accountant and security expert to give people more hope.

blah blah blah.     you are beyond tedious little tory troll man.

say something positive about your party -  how will things improve under saint u-turn over the next 5 years?

Wait and see Thomas on Friday more U turns will be revealed in Theresa's victory speech.

Please be sure to cast your vote tomorrow in the blue box ! 

capo4th

thomasw88 said:

corbyn supports independent music venues..  

http://thequietus.com/articles/22579-corbyn-independent-music-venues

Jeremy loves the grime scene....

capo4th

thomasw88 said:

capo4th said:

Diane Abbott was spotted running around in Oxford Circus at 830am this morning she looked fit as a fiddle.

Clearly a last ditch feeble PR attempt from Labour to show they are ditching their chief accountant and security expert to give people more hope.

blah blah blah.     you are beyond tedious little tory troll man.

say something positive about your party -  how will things improve under saint u-turn over the next 5 years?

Why are you always so negative Thomas I have noticed this trait in your personality in the last month or so.

Maybe you need a hobby or a girlfriend to brighten up your days. 

capo4th

Get some hope in your life Thomas 

thomasw88

capo4th said:

thomasw88 said:

capo4th said:

Diane Abbott was spotted running around in Oxford Circus at 830am this morning she looked fit as a fiddle.

Clearly a last ditch feeble PR attempt from Labour to show they are ditching their chief accountant and security expert to give people more hope.

blah blah blah.     you are beyond tedious little tory troll man.

say something positive about your party -  how will things improve under saint u-turn over the next 5 years?

Why are you always so negative Thomas I have noticed this trait in your personality in the last month or so.

Maybe you need a hobby or a girlfriend to brighten up your days. 

so you've got nothing positive about the changes the next tory governement will bring then?

thought not.

capo4th

Stop being so serious Thomas this is an Internet forum we are not deciding world peace a bit of banter has to be a good thing life is too short to fall out over politics. 

The general election will all be forgotten come Monday morning and life can continue as normal.

thomasw88

capo4th said:

Stop being so serious Thomas this is an Internet forum we are not deciding world peace a bit of banter has to be a good thing life is too short to fall out over politics. 

The general election will all be forgotten come Monday morning and life can continue as normal.

aye right good one. waaayy too late for that old bean.  

in the 3599999999 posts you' ve done on this thread I can't remember many or any where you've actually put forward a positivie  view on your beloved tory party will run the country in the next year that will actually make things better for people.

 So come on  - What exactly are the  next tory government going to do to improve the country?

capo4th

You clearly don't remember the last recession Thomas maybe you were too young. 

Look where we are today and people want to put Labour in charge to fuck it all up like they did back then. 

Corbyn is out out there selling impossible dreams he will not change anything.

thomasw88

capo4th said:

You clearly don't remember the last recession Thomas maybe you were too young. 

Look where we are today and people want to put Labour in charge to fuck it all up like they did back then. 

Corbyn is out out there selling impossible dreams he will not change anything.

You've not answered the question.

FAIL.

capo4th

I don't fail Thomas I win everyday ! Day in day out live the dream!