The Football Thread.

TeleMaster

DefaultM said:

So if you watch a Premier League game on Sky Sports or whatever it is, in the commentary the announcer will talk about odds? 
It sounds like it's a sort of multi pronged subliminal messaging, but will it make your regular guy who never thought about gambling want to start? Or is it targeted directly at a certain sort of person that their research showed they could take advantage of? (Which is also awful)

No the commentator doesn't talk about the odds. But every advert before the game is gambling., People like Ray Winstone going 'BET NAOWWWWW' all the way through the advert, all the billboards, the shirts, the sponsors. It's not subliminal, it's literally in your face from the get go.

I guess if you've got to adulthood, and you're in your 30's and you don't bet, I would imagine there's little chance you'\d start. But if you're 12 and it's completely normalised and you can get it on your phone, I wouldn't be surprised if it was harder to not gamble than it was to gamble.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/jun/05/gambling-logos-feature-700-times-in-football-match-says-ch4-documentary

thecolourbox

In some ways I consider my season ticket an annual gamble, betting £300 on the being something worth watching at some point. The last few years this has not been a gamble that has paid off

DefaultM

Read the article and I'd actually not thought about casino stuff. That's not on at all, they shouldn't be allowed to advertise that on TV.
Sports it's possible to beat the bookie, but there's nothing you can do on roulette, you're guaranteed to lose over time. 
There's a young man that is literally always at the virtual roulette machine whenever I go in the bookies. PLACE YOUR BETS - He just randomly jabs his finger all over the screen until it says NO MORE BETS PLEASE, he watches it spin and then just goes again with no emotion. 
He might be laundering money now I think about it...

tony99

DefaultM said:

There's a young man that is literally always at the virtual roulette machine whenever I go in the bookies. 

You might be in there as much as him to be fair.

TeleMaster

DefaultM said:

Read the article and I'd actually not thought about casino stuff. That's not on at all, they shouldn't be allowed to advertise that on TV.
Sports it's possible to beat the bookie, but there's nothing you can do on roulette, you're guaranteed to lose over time. 
There's a young man that is literally always at the virtual roulette machine whenever I go in the bookies. PLACE YOUR BETS - He just randomly jabs his finger all over the screen until it says NO MORE BETS PLEASE, he watches it spin and then just goes again with no emotion. 
He might be laundering money now I think about it...

I don't think they should be allowed to advertise the betting either. It really is just too much. 

DefaultM

tony99 said:

DefaultM said:

There's a young man that is literally always at the virtual roulette machine whenever I go in the bookies. 

You might be in there as much as him to be fair.

Nah, I go for the bonus hour at dinner time. You've got to listen and every few minutes they'll give out a special offer. Some of them are rubbish, but others are free money. Then I go back before tea sometimes if I see another special offer on twitter or something. 
The same people are always in there no matter when I go.

guitars4you

So what are Man U fans wanting/expecting for the new 22/23 season 

For now it looks the same old, from MCFC and LFC as they'll both march on to 90 plus points 

Spurs with a full season under Conte with 1 or 2 key signings should make a stronger show - Certainly need more consistency 

Chelsea - Might have to wait until all the dust settles down, from the change of owners, as to where they buy/sell - I think they'll miss Rudiger and whilst Thiago is a class act, he is getting on another year - Maybe a silly statement, but they need a striker as Lukaku just not working, for whatever reason - Yet they were the 3rd best in the goal scoring league last season and the 3rd best GD

So just thinking that it won't be an easy gig for Man U to walk/sneak into a CL spot next season 

The only way that LFC and MCFC will avoid not hitting 90 + points, is if collectively, West Ham, Man U, Spurs, Arsenal, Chelsea can raid some points from them - Restrict MCFC and LFC to 80 odd points and you can make it a 2-4 race for the title - Great for many of us to watch a closer race for the title - Yet I have to say that MCFC and LFC are possibly playing the best PL football we've ever seen 

TTony

guitars4you said:

The only way that LFC and MCFC will avoid not hitting 90 + points, is if collectively, West Ham, Man U, Spurs, Arsenal, Chelsea can raid some points from them -

To be fair, we - Spurs - beat MCFC twice last season (and they only lost 3 over the season) and drew with Liverpool twice.  That took a few points from the both of them.  So, it can be done.

But then we let Burnley take 5 points from us ... at least that won't happen again next season!

axisus

As a Man U fan I want top 4 next season. I think he's the right manager for the job, but personally I'd give him 4 years however the first season goes.

I thought that we were a shoe-in for top 4 this season (boy was I wrong!) but I don't think that the team is as bad as everyone is saying. So many people don't understand sport/team games. You can be like City and L'pool and be on an amazing cohesive high collectively, and likewise you can end up as the opposite of that. Erik TH needs to 'reset' the team and get their belief back, then move on from there.

Can't wait for the next season, I hate the summer when there's no football leagues playing

TeleMaster

TTony said:

guitars4you said:

The only way that LFC and MCFC will avoid not hitting 90 + points, is if collectively, West Ham, Man U, Spurs, Arsenal, Chelsea can raid some points from them -

To be fair, we - Spurs - beat MCFC twice last season (and they only lost 3 over the season) and drew with Liverpool twice.  That took a few points from the both of them.  So, it can be done.

But then we let Burnley take 5 points from us ... at least that won't happen again next season!

And West Ham beat Liverpool, Chelsea and drew with City. We also knocked them out of the cup. 

Watching us play these teams, they are very susceptible to the counter attack. That's how we scored against them. If you press very strongly and with a very high line you will get caught out. There is a defense to every playing style, and if you have fast players with good defensive skills who can also score, you can beat this high press.

I think Ten Hag means business. I see a steely determination and Man UTD have got some fantastic players. Ronaldo, Sancho, Fernandes, De Gea, Cavani, Rashford. It shouldn't take a lot to start achieving if they can bring in a decent central defender and CM. 

guitars4you

TTony said:

guitars4you said:

The only way that LFC and MCFC will avoid not hitting 90 + points, is if collectively, West Ham, Man U, Spurs, Arsenal, Chelsea can raid some points from them -

To be fair, we - Spurs - beat MCFC twice last season (and they only lost 3 over the season) and drew with Liverpool twice.  That took a few points from the both of them.  So, it can be done.

But then we let Burnley take 5 points from us ... at least that won't happen again next season!

I was aware of the former when I was typing my info - I suppose Arsenal will tell you they took points of Leicester, when the Foxes won the title - But an assault on LFC and MCFC collectively is the only way we'll get back to a more competitive league and bring them down into the 80 point range  - I don't see Spurs/Chelsea moving up to 90+ points 

But then we let Burnley take 5 points from us - It took me a min to work that out - I assume you you mean you lost 5 points to Burnley, so assume you lost one game and drew another - But that only means Burnley took 4 points themselves from those fixtures

bloodandtears

guitars4you said:

TTony said:

guitars4you said:

The only way that LFC and MCFC will avoid not hitting 90 + points, is if collectively, West Ham, Man U, Spurs, Arsenal, Chelsea can raid some points from them -

To be fair, we - Spurs - beat MCFC twice last season (and they only lost 3 over the season) and drew with Liverpool twice.  That took a few points from the both of them.  So, it can be done.

But then we let Burnley take 5 points from us ... at least that won't happen again next season!

I was aware of the former when I was typing my info - I suppose Arsenal will tell you they took points of Leicester, when the Foxes won the title - But an assault on LFC and MCFC collectively is the only way we'll get back to a more competitive league and bring them down into the 80 point range  - I don't see Spurs/Chelsea moving up to 90+ points 

But then we let Burnley take 5 points from us - It took me a min to work that out - I assume you you mean you lost 5 points to Burnley, so assume you lost one game and drew another - But that only means Burnley took 4 points themselves from those fixtures

Burnley v Spurs 1-0 

Spurs v Burnley 1-0

I was at both games, not sure where the 5 points are??

guitars4you

axisus said:

As a Man U fan I want top 4 next season. I think he's the right manager for the job, but personally I'd give him 4 years however the first season goes.

I thought that we were a shoe-in for top 4 this season (boy was I wrong!) but I don't think that the team is as bad as everyone is saying. So many people don't understand sport/team games. You can be like City and L'pool and be on an amazing cohesive high collectively, and likewise you can end up as the opposite of that. Erik TH needs to 'reset' the team and get their belief back, then move on from there.

Can't wait for the next season, I hate the summer when there's no football leagues playing

Agree that on paper they are/should be a force to be reckoned with - So on that basis it is the game plan, drive, attitude, style of play etc etc that is not right - I know there is more to it than that - Some egos on the pitch - Players not playing for the manager - Manager not able to portray his ideas - Wrong players in wrong positions for those ideas etc - A good team needs an identity - Even Wimbledon had one 

Then ensure that Bruno stops his moaning/complaining character and gets back to what they brought him for 

I don't even think the defence is as bad as some make out - Again on paper it should not be and Lindleof is no mug - Probably one good buy for them would be a deep midfield player who can help protect the back 4, plus be that 1/4 back style role, who can find the killer pass from distance - Phillips ain't going there and I don't think Rice will 

TTony

bloodandtears said:

guitars4you said:

TTony said:

guitars4you said:

The only way that LFC and MCFC will avoid not hitting 90 + points, is if collectively, West Ham, Man U, Spurs, Arsenal, Chelsea can raid some points from them -

To be fair, we - Spurs - beat MCFC twice last season (and they only lost 3 over the season) and drew with Liverpool twice.  That took a few points from the both of them.  So, it can be done.

But then we let Burnley take 5 points from us ... at least that won't happen again next season!

I was aware of the former when I was typing my info - I suppose Arsenal will tell you they took points of Leicester, when the Foxes won the title - But an assault on LFC and MCFC collectively is the only way we'll get back to a more competitive league and bring them down into the 80 point range  - I don't see Spurs/Chelsea moving up to 90+ points 

But then we let Burnley take 5 points from us - It took me a min to work that out - I assume you you mean you lost 5 points to Burnley, so assume you lost one game and drew another - But that only means Burnley took 4 points themselves from those fixtures

Burnley v Spurs 1-0 

Spurs v Burnley 1-0

I was at both games, not sure where the 5 points are??

D'oh - You are of course right!  

guitars4you

TeleMaster said:

TTony said:

guitars4you said:

The only way that LFC and MCFC will avoid not hitting 90 + points, is if collectively, West Ham, Man U, Spurs, Arsenal, Chelsea can raid some points from them -

To be fair, we - Spurs - beat MCFC twice last season (and they only lost 3 over the season) and drew with Liverpool twice.  That took a few points from the both of them.  So, it can be done.

But then we let Burnley take 5 points from us ... at least that won't happen again next season!

And West Ham beat Liverpool, Chelsea and drew with City. We also knocked them out of the cup. 

Watching us play these teams, they are very susceptible to the counter attack. That's how we scored against them. If you press very strongly and with a very high line you will get caught out. There is a defense to every playing style, and if you have fast players with good defensive skills who can also score, you can beat this high press.

I think Ten Hag means business. I see a steely determination and Man UTD have got some fantastic players. Ronaldo, Sancho, Fernandes, De Gea, Cavani, Rashford. It shouldn't take a lot to start achieving if they can bring in a decent central defender and CM. 

I think you are right - Yet LFC have a keeper, who stats for a one on one player on the attack against him, are vastly superior to anyone else - Vastly superior - So with VVD and Alisson they are less susceptible to this and when it does happen more often than not it does not hurt them 

TeleMaster

guitars4you said:

TeleMaster said:

TTony said:

guitars4you said:

The only way that LFC and MCFC will avoid not hitting 90 + points, is if collectively, West Ham, Man U, Spurs, Arsenal, Chelsea can raid some points from them -

To be fair, we - Spurs - beat MCFC twice last season (and they only lost 3 over the season) and drew with Liverpool twice.  That took a few points from the both of them.  So, it can be done.

But then we let Burnley take 5 points from us ... at least that won't happen again next season!

And West Ham beat Liverpool, Chelsea and drew with City. We also knocked them out of the cup. 

Watching us play these teams, they are very susceptible to the counter attack. That's how we scored against them. If you press very strongly and with a very high line you will get caught out. There is a defense to every playing style, and if you have fast players with good defensive skills who can also score, you can beat this high press.

I think Ten Hag means business. I see a steely determination and Man UTD have got some fantastic players. Ronaldo, Sancho, Fernandes, De Gea, Cavani, Rashford. It shouldn't take a lot to start achieving if they can bring in a decent central defender and CM. 

I think you are right - Yet LFC have a keeper, who stats for a one on one player on the attack against him, are vastly superior to anyone else - Vastly superior - So with VVD and Alisson they are less susceptible to this and when it does happen more often than not it does not hurt them 

True. Except, West Ham 3 Liverpool 2. 

Rocker

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guitars4you

TeleMaster said:

guitars4you said:

TeleMaster said:

TTony said:

guitars4you said:

The only way that LFC and MCFC will avoid not hitting 90 + points, is if collectively, West Ham, Man U, Spurs, Arsenal, Chelsea can raid some points from them -

To be fair, we - Spurs - beat MCFC twice last season (and they only lost 3 over the season) and drew with Liverpool twice.  That took a few points from the both of them.  So, it can be done.

But then we let Burnley take 5 points from us ... at least that won't happen again next season!

And West Ham beat Liverpool, Chelsea and drew with City. We also knocked them out of the cup. 

Watching us play these teams, they are very susceptible to the counter attack. That's how we scored against them. If you press very strongly and with a very high line you will get caught out. There is a defense to every playing style, and if you have fast players with good defensive skills who can also score, you can beat this high press.

I think Ten Hag means business. I see a steely determination and Man UTD have got some fantastic players. Ronaldo, Sancho, Fernandes, De Gea, Cavani, Rashford. It shouldn't take a lot to start achieving if they can bring in a decent central defender and CM. 

I think you are right - Yet LFC have a keeper, who stats for a one on one player on the attack against him, are vastly superior to anyone else - Vastly superior - So with VVD and Alisson they are less susceptible to this and when it does happen more often than not it does not hurt them 

True. Except, West Ham 3 Liverpool 2. 

agree that if we'd beaten LFC I'd be in 7th heaven about it - Forgot we beat Citeh at their place the previous year 2-1 and we only had 10 men and the final goal was a counter attack as you say - But one swallow doesn't make a summer - My point is that the current teams in 3rd-8th positions are not going to suddenly rise to 90 points to take on LFC and MCFC - Between them they need to raid more points from those two clubs and get a title fight going with 3-4 clubs all in the 80 point range 

TTony

TeleMaster said:

True. Except, West Ham 3 Liverpool 2. 

Exactly. 

As you said - there's a defence (and an offense!) to most playing styles. If the manager can work out what it is, and you've got the players to apply it, there's always a chance... 

guitars4you

I'm sure there are many examples of a bad transfer deal - But this takes some beating

Danny Drinkwater - 35 Mill in 2017 - So a 5 year deal - Granted he was part of the Leicester winning title and in a Leicester team, a good player - But no way was he ever going to be a good player out of Leicester IMO - As someone mentioned earlier, you are sometimes better being a star in your own club and playing at a comfortable ability, as against being a total nothing in a big club - Not sure where he'll go next, but I'm guessing the EFL, if he stays in England - At best, a newly promoted EFL club to the PL and a squad player at that and not on a big deal (ie Forest/Huddersfield)